Best example, is that last comment of yours where you state unequivocally that you are not advocating terrain theory, only highlighting the fact that no virus has ever been found.
He then proceeds to WAFFLE about how it is necessary that you demonstrate measels are produced by a toxin in order to validate your comments. Wtf? Does he have comprehension issues? He clearly has problems separating the two topics.
I also agree with that other person, Admin Sam's "lol" are passive aggressive, rude and inappropriate. What a dick.
You did well to get out of there when you did PM, that conversation was degenerating fast and would have dragged you down with it.
The critical point emerges of the inability to prove a negative, which as you know is why science uses the technique of disproving the null hypothesis, which allows exceptions to any theory to be demonstrated until the theory is expelled into the anus of history. There exists nonetheless a severe limitation here as science precludes the ability to falsify belief. This may be best viewed as the essential ingredient of today's hyper-politicized, precautionary, policy-based scientivism, the bedrock of contemporary virology, climatism, Malthusianism, and all the hobgoblins required assert and maintain tyrannical governance.
It seems clear there exists a desperate need to maintain a virus narrative. The irony is it topples so easily and readily when one applies rigorous methodology. There exists almost no attempt to consider alternatives to the lazy thinking of germs, except from a few now beginning to consider the dangers and evidence of EMR and its many dire biological consequences.
Belief continues to trump science, as subjective truths trump facts.
Please be aware of how difficult it is to recognize your own opinions and, above all, beliefs that you have held all your life as completely wrong. It's like a big defeat and hard to swallow. Not everyone is therefore controlled opposition just because they still believe in certain wrong beliefs. And this belief is also defended by people, because it's actually unbelievable. Until you accept that we are being poisoned on all fronts:
Thanks PM. Sam's comments are painful to read, so I only read a bit but noticed right away a double standard. Interesting for someone who says "I just want people to be consistent.".
I left a couple of comments:
"Sam, please clarify your comment: “you will preface all further comments as your belief, OR you will link to quality evidence”.
Is this is a new rule for everyone writing and commenting on Off-Guardian, or just for certain people who write things that you disagree with?
Kit’s article is based on the premise that “measles” is a distinct illness, yet she provided no “good quality, scientifically-valid sources” to back up this premise. Is it hypocritical of “Off-Guardian” to publish such an article and then have an “admin” berate a commenter for not citing such evidence?"
**
"Sam you failed to cite scientific evidence to back up your assertion re particle physics, despite telling someone else that going forward they “will” link to “scientifically validated sources”."
See good outline of the brilliant Stefan Lanka's scientific examination of virology's (unproven) claims:
> Jun 26, 2023 - Stefan Lanka Explains Seven Flaws in Virology - Plus a challenge to virologists: film your method for the public to see. Plus, where to purchase stocks of the Omicron 'variant' for $1200. Plus where to download the genomic sequencing Python code! [ ! ] - CopperVortex substack
"I have italicized what I feel are the important points. I have not included the first part of Lanka’s answer, which is just as compelling, but wanted to focus on his seven flaws in virology:"
Excellent breakdown by Lanka that should convince even the most stubborn believer in virus THEORY.
Well, at minimum, seeds of doubt were sown. Some will take root, even in closed minds, and like the mighty oak from an acorn, those seeds will grow and grow until they can not be ignored.
wow....now that is some heavy posturing for position that actually led to a nowhere land full of multi-syllable words (someone has a handy thesaurus) that came to a sudden halt with "the science is settled";
granted, i am but a mere layman about many a subject but 2 things i know about science; Science is :NEVER: settled; there may be a logical outcome for a particular study set/group at a given moment in time but that does not mean that another study set/group will not come along and disprove the first study set/group to be invalid;
secondly, just like a 'poll' or a 'census'. the desired outcome to the (a scientific) question can be ascertained by asking 'appropriate' questions and concluding at the end of those set questions...that is until someone else comes along and asks a few more questions or changes the wording of the original questions;
i also know that if one cannot find whatever it is they are claiming to be, then it simply cannot be and no amount of clever word play can make it so and to this end, no 'virus' has ever been found in Nature; lots of concoctions have been formulated to replicate what the 'definition' of a (given) 'virus' is said to be but no-one has ever jumped up and shouted 'here it is' while looking at a purified blood sample.....
beneficial bacteria and harmful bacteria's have been found; beneficial and harmful natural toxins have been found; natural poisons have been found....is this the 'terrain theory' we are talking about or is it something else entirely?;
then we get to Patents and the first rules of registering a Patent: anything that is of Nature, from Nature or is Naturally occurring cannot be Patented....yet there are many so-called 'virus' that have Patent Office Registrations attached to them;
so, has the definition of 'virus' changed or are 'virus's' indeed a construct of man....created in laboratories by crazy little men in bleach white coats who get pockets full of shekels for their 'ground-breaking research' and even more shekels in the way of 'fun-ding' to go off and play chemist for a few more months until yet another 'scientific breakthrough' is found?
I have to say I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest something might be proven to exist by a means other than isolating it first ... but it seems viruses haven't been shown to exist any which way. If the virology community wants to come out and say, "Yeah, we don't isolate viruses ... but we prove their existence by method X," well fine let's check it out. But they haven't done that. They act as though they have isolated viruses.
But yes, OffG admins are something else in terms of 'tude. For me Sam was quite tolerable (although what he demonstrated with you was much more extreme I believe than I used to see from him) but not Sophie - love to see you in an argument with her. But the worst thing is the censoring of comments, notably my comments on the staging of death and injury on 9/11 - OMG why is this so taboo, it's a no-brainer when you blow away the magic propaganda dust. Censoring comments is just so incredibly antithetical to what OffG stands for I really wonder how they can do it.
Sam is an idiot !! He's basically saying that in order to call out the lies of viroliegy you need to offer hard scientific evidence of what causes what germ theorists from a failed paradigm have labelled flu, measles, monkeyhoax etc. Will throw in an ADIMN SAM LOL 😀 at this juncture to scoff at his utter BS 😀 LOL . OH that was 2 LOLS 😀 LOL ！！OH AND ANOTHER LOL 😀 Thumbs up for Sam being OFF Guardian??
I've just put in a bunch of replies to Sam's inane comments. Most of my replies are a broken record, pointing out that Sam keeps trying to reverse the burden of proof. It's his/her main tactic.
Admin Sam wrote: "I see no one attempting to set up a dialogue and test their convictions in an open-minded way with the virological community. I see a closed-minded echo chamber in the terrain camp, preaching blind belief as facts – eg. evidence-free concepts like ‘toxaemia’ as a universal explanation for ALL disease.
Where is the ‘isolated’ evidence for this? What measles ‘toxin’ are you talking about, or herpes ‘toxin’? Where are these ‘isolated’?"
Huh?
No-one attempting set up dialogue? That's what the Bailey's have been trying to do for 3 years, with multiple signatories, including well-known figures like Mike Yeadon.
I see no-one in virology attempting to address well-founded and researched criticisms, even though these are gathering apace and changing the paradigm.
And I've never seen anyone who is looking into virology and alternative explanations for sickness claim there is a 'measles toxin' or a 'herpes toxin', or define illnesses as 'toxaemia'. This Admin person obviously hasn't even dipped a toe into the issues being raised.
I mean, all you have to do is pick a paper - any paper - about a purported 'virus', and it stands out a mile. For me, the 2020 eye-opener was the Washington U (I think, don't have my files with me) paper on America's first 'SARS CoV-2' patient. A master-class in circular argument. Coincidentally that paper was linked to me by a commenter on Off-G in 2021, as 'proof' of SARS CoV-2 as a distinct entity. It did nothing of the sort. 'Got a covid patient, made a test from their lung fluid, tested that person and found covid virus' about sums it up.
I'm flabbergasted at this Admin's comments. In my book an admin of something like Off-G needs to be intelligent, diplomatic, and, well, 'moderate'. Using phrases like 'your logic kinda sucks lol' after a thoughtful, logical and detailed reply from a commenter KINDA SUCKS, ADMIN. But to be honest, I stopped reading Off-G about 2 years ago. All got a bit too fear-mongering (ie 'we're all about to be killed by nuclear bombs! etc) and I started to get a bit suspicious of it all.
I couldn't read the whole thing. So tedious to hear the mental contortions and silliness people engage in when trying to contest the idea of terrain (it isn't a theory). I wanted to let you know that I have recently started a Substack explaining why it is so important to know that viruses don't exist (as of what we know now), "germs" don't cause disease, and contagion is a myth. Maybe you'd be interested in taking a look! It's called This Changes Everything. My most recent post, put up yesterday, is about what "terrain" means, from the perspective of a non-scientifically trained intelligent person with some common sense (i. e., me). I'd love to hear what you think. And I do mean that.
Admin Sam is a fool.
Best example, is that last comment of yours where you state unequivocally that you are not advocating terrain theory, only highlighting the fact that no virus has ever been found.
He then proceeds to WAFFLE about how it is necessary that you demonstrate measels are produced by a toxin in order to validate your comments. Wtf? Does he have comprehension issues? He clearly has problems separating the two topics.
I also agree with that other person, Admin Sam's "lol" are passive aggressive, rude and inappropriate. What a dick.
You did well to get out of there when you did PM, that conversation was degenerating fast and would have dragged you down with it.
PM, sound exchange. Well handled Sir.
The critical point emerges of the inability to prove a negative, which as you know is why science uses the technique of disproving the null hypothesis, which allows exceptions to any theory to be demonstrated until the theory is expelled into the anus of history. There exists nonetheless a severe limitation here as science precludes the ability to falsify belief. This may be best viewed as the essential ingredient of today's hyper-politicized, precautionary, policy-based scientivism, the bedrock of contemporary virology, climatism, Malthusianism, and all the hobgoblins required assert and maintain tyrannical governance.
It seems clear there exists a desperate need to maintain a virus narrative. The irony is it topples so easily and readily when one applies rigorous methodology. There exists almost no attempt to consider alternatives to the lazy thinking of germs, except from a few now beginning to consider the dangers and evidence of EMR and its many dire biological consequences.
Belief continues to trump science, as subjective truths trump facts.
Get em PM!!!
Please be aware of how difficult it is to recognize your own opinions and, above all, beliefs that you have held all your life as completely wrong. It's like a big defeat and hard to swallow. Not everyone is therefore controlled opposition just because they still believe in certain wrong beliefs. And this belief is also defended by people, because it's actually unbelievable. Until you accept that we are being poisoned on all fronts:
- Weather / chemtrails
- Food
- supplements
- sun screen
- Body care products
- Pharmaceuticals
- Media and television
- and much more
Thanks PM. Sam's comments are painful to read, so I only read a bit but noticed right away a double standard. Interesting for someone who says "I just want people to be consistent.".
I left a couple of comments:
"Sam, please clarify your comment: “you will preface all further comments as your belief, OR you will link to quality evidence”.
Is this is a new rule for everyone writing and commenting on Off-Guardian, or just for certain people who write things that you disagree with?
Kit’s article is based on the premise that “measles” is a distinct illness, yet she provided no “good quality, scientifically-valid sources” to back up this premise. Is it hypocritical of “Off-Guardian” to publish such an article and then have an “admin” berate a commenter for not citing such evidence?"
**
"Sam you failed to cite scientific evidence to back up your assertion re particle physics, despite telling someone else that going forward they “will” link to “scientifically validated sources”."
See good outline of the brilliant Stefan Lanka's scientific examination of virology's (unproven) claims:
> Jun 26, 2023 - Stefan Lanka Explains Seven Flaws in Virology - Plus a challenge to virologists: film your method for the public to see. Plus, where to purchase stocks of the Omicron 'variant' for $1200. Plus where to download the genomic sequencing Python code! [ ! ] - CopperVortex substack
https://coppervortex.substack.com/p/stefan-lanka-explains-seven-flaws
Excerpt: "I wanted to highlight one question and answer from a lesser known interview with virologist Stefan Lanka by Antonio Muro found here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PQTheJ-LPgWZPRbKgZiAwW5TRGOFeOz3/view?usp=sharing , or at https://truthseeker.se/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Stefan-Lanka-DSalud-Número-249-English-1-of-3.pdf .
"I have italicized what I feel are the important points. I have not included the first part of Lanka’s answer, which is just as compelling, but wanted to focus on his seven flaws in virology:"
Excellent breakdown by Lanka that should convince even the most stubborn believer in virus THEORY.
Well, at minimum, seeds of doubt were sown. Some will take root, even in closed minds, and like the mighty oak from an acorn, those seeds will grow and grow until they can not be ignored.
Greg Reece has a short summation of 'virus vs terrain theory' https://www.bitchute.com/video/lFI82h6vinh9/
wow....now that is some heavy posturing for position that actually led to a nowhere land full of multi-syllable words (someone has a handy thesaurus) that came to a sudden halt with "the science is settled";
granted, i am but a mere layman about many a subject but 2 things i know about science; Science is :NEVER: settled; there may be a logical outcome for a particular study set/group at a given moment in time but that does not mean that another study set/group will not come along and disprove the first study set/group to be invalid;
secondly, just like a 'poll' or a 'census'. the desired outcome to the (a scientific) question can be ascertained by asking 'appropriate' questions and concluding at the end of those set questions...that is until someone else comes along and asks a few more questions or changes the wording of the original questions;
i also know that if one cannot find whatever it is they are claiming to be, then it simply cannot be and no amount of clever word play can make it so and to this end, no 'virus' has ever been found in Nature; lots of concoctions have been formulated to replicate what the 'definition' of a (given) 'virus' is said to be but no-one has ever jumped up and shouted 'here it is' while looking at a purified blood sample.....
beneficial bacteria and harmful bacteria's have been found; beneficial and harmful natural toxins have been found; natural poisons have been found....is this the 'terrain theory' we are talking about or is it something else entirely?;
then we get to Patents and the first rules of registering a Patent: anything that is of Nature, from Nature or is Naturally occurring cannot be Patented....yet there are many so-called 'virus' that have Patent Office Registrations attached to them;
so, has the definition of 'virus' changed or are 'virus's' indeed a construct of man....created in laboratories by crazy little men in bleach white coats who get pockets full of shekels for their 'ground-breaking research' and even more shekels in the way of 'fun-ding' to go off and play chemist for a few more months until yet another 'scientific breakthrough' is found?
Your titles are always so clever, PM.
I have to say I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest something might be proven to exist by a means other than isolating it first ... but it seems viruses haven't been shown to exist any which way. If the virology community wants to come out and say, "Yeah, we don't isolate viruses ... but we prove their existence by method X," well fine let's check it out. But they haven't done that. They act as though they have isolated viruses.
But yes, OffG admins are something else in terms of 'tude. For me Sam was quite tolerable (although what he demonstrated with you was much more extreme I believe than I used to see from him) but not Sophie - love to see you in an argument with her. But the worst thing is the censoring of comments, notably my comments on the staging of death and injury on 9/11 - OMG why is this so taboo, it's a no-brainer when you blow away the magic propaganda dust. Censoring comments is just so incredibly antithetical to what OffG stands for I really wonder how they can do it.
Sam is an idiot !! He's basically saying that in order to call out the lies of viroliegy you need to offer hard scientific evidence of what causes what germ theorists from a failed paradigm have labelled flu, measles, monkeyhoax etc. Will throw in an ADIMN SAM LOL 😀 at this juncture to scoff at his utter BS 😀 LOL . OH that was 2 LOLS 😀 LOL ！！OH AND ANOTHER LOL 😀 Thumbs up for Sam being OFF Guardian??
I just learned the term “sealioning,” and it looks like admin Sam has provided a living example
Incredible this admin says virology probably has flaws while demanding nothing from it but everything from you. Clownery.
I've just put in a bunch of replies to Sam's inane comments. Most of my replies are a broken record, pointing out that Sam keeps trying to reverse the burden of proof. It's his/her main tactic.
Admin Sam wrote: "I see no one attempting to set up a dialogue and test their convictions in an open-minded way with the virological community. I see a closed-minded echo chamber in the terrain camp, preaching blind belief as facts – eg. evidence-free concepts like ‘toxaemia’ as a universal explanation for ALL disease.
Where is the ‘isolated’ evidence for this? What measles ‘toxin’ are you talking about, or herpes ‘toxin’? Where are these ‘isolated’?"
Huh?
No-one attempting set up dialogue? That's what the Bailey's have been trying to do for 3 years, with multiple signatories, including well-known figures like Mike Yeadon.
I see no-one in virology attempting to address well-founded and researched criticisms, even though these are gathering apace and changing the paradigm.
And I've never seen anyone who is looking into virology and alternative explanations for sickness claim there is a 'measles toxin' or a 'herpes toxin', or define illnesses as 'toxaemia'. This Admin person obviously hasn't even dipped a toe into the issues being raised.
I mean, all you have to do is pick a paper - any paper - about a purported 'virus', and it stands out a mile. For me, the 2020 eye-opener was the Washington U (I think, don't have my files with me) paper on America's first 'SARS CoV-2' patient. A master-class in circular argument. Coincidentally that paper was linked to me by a commenter on Off-G in 2021, as 'proof' of SARS CoV-2 as a distinct entity. It did nothing of the sort. 'Got a covid patient, made a test from their lung fluid, tested that person and found covid virus' about sums it up.
I'm flabbergasted at this Admin's comments. In my book an admin of something like Off-G needs to be intelligent, diplomatic, and, well, 'moderate'. Using phrases like 'your logic kinda sucks lol' after a thoughtful, logical and detailed reply from a commenter KINDA SUCKS, ADMIN. But to be honest, I stopped reading Off-G about 2 years ago. All got a bit too fear-mongering (ie 'we're all about to be killed by nuclear bombs! etc) and I started to get a bit suspicious of it all.
I couldn't read the whole thing. So tedious to hear the mental contortions and silliness people engage in when trying to contest the idea of terrain (it isn't a theory). I wanted to let you know that I have recently started a Substack explaining why it is so important to know that viruses don't exist (as of what we know now), "germs" don't cause disease, and contagion is a myth. Maybe you'd be interested in taking a look! It's called This Changes Everything. My most recent post, put up yesterday, is about what "terrain" means, from the perspective of a non-scientifically trained intelligent person with some common sense (i. e., me). I'd love to hear what you think. And I do mean that.