Kary Mullis channeled-in from Valhallađ
Proton Magic sponsors séance, Kary rips into cell-cultures
Proton Magic calls sĂ©ance for pcr inventor and Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis who âpassed awayâ in 2019 to return and help humanity.
Séance mood music:
Kary:
Greetings Proton! Thanks for calling. Iâve been wanting to check-in from the beyond for a while now because of my disdain for what has happened to pcr and cell cultures. All these indirect and inferred platforms that are revered by the masses are still used today to peddle BS by virology.
Proton:
Wow Kary Mullis, in the flesh! I thought you were in a witness protection program? [proton trembles in fear]-you m..mâŠmean you are really d.d..dead? Besides being dead what irks you lately?
Kary:
The cells used in cultures are genetically disordered and usually not even from humans. More importantly they are not from the person suspected of having a virus so this set-up is not analogous to the natural state in the person who is ill.
If viruses could multiply ad nauseam in a person, they could surely be seen causing CPE (cytopathic effect or cellular death) under a light microscope. That alone should make us ditch the monkey kidney cell or HeLa cell pos, but CPE doesnât isolate and characterize a virus particle even if there was one, it is only looking at cells which is not a method to separate nanometer size particles.
While CPE is said to be a surrogate marker for a virus, đyou canât have a surrogate marker for something never found to begin withđĄ If it was already found, why are you trying to find it or see CPE in a system that results in CPE patient sample or not? Iâd rather be at the surf than go around in circles, but it is a grave đȘŠsituation for persons that believe in this clownistry.
Cells dying on light microscopy. Even if they existed, virus-size particles could not be seen on light microscopy without advanced equipment (no, light microscopy cannot isolate a virus!)
Proton:
Kary first let me give an overview of the cell culture system used by virologists for the readers.
These are globs of cells that are given a sample from an ill person to supposedly see if they have a viral infection by looking for CPE. These cells are given antibiotics and antifungals ostensibly to rid the samples of bacteria or fungi that might also cause CPE, though these substances also damage cells, and would not remove other toxic material that might be in the patient sample. Not to mention the cells are starved of nutrients that also pushes CPE.
đHow can you use a test system when the system itself causes what you are looking for?
đThe so-called resistance always leaves the door open to things like, âwell if there was a purified virus the test could rule it inâ. Thatâs like looking in the mirror with your eyes that are in your head to check if you have a head. Maybe better to stick your head in a bucket of shit and wash out your brains.
Looking at cell cultures on a big screen still doesnât help researchers find a virus.
Kary:
Iâm also dead-set against bullshit âcell culture controlsâ.
Proton:
We know youâre dead, but âdead-setâ? Is that like the Jet-set, but you travel from grave resort to grave resort?
Kary:
Cut out the jokes, this is a graveđȘŠsituation as I told you.
Proton:
So do cell cultures have any meaning Kary?
Kary:
No, not to rule-in or rule-out a virus.
Proton:
But what about checking cell cultures on EM for so-called âvirus morphologyâ?
Kary:
Virologists claim then can see viruses in cell cultures on electron microscopy (EM), but EM images are just dead two-dimensional shadows on a detector plate, they are not objects that can be taken out and characterized so we donât know what these are. I venture to say they are cell fragments and/or exosomes (vesicles from dying cells) from the CPE.
Now some have done good work to show that cell cultures with no patient sample even can find forms that look just like those that virologists claim are viruses like measles and HIV, though no virus has ever been isolated. The problem is that just showing a virus lookalike to the masses will actually make them believe there are viruses EVEN MORE SO because they will just see, âvirusesâ, conclude they had infected the cells in the cell culture and wonât get the logic.
Additionally, whether they are from with- or without-patient sample cell cultures, EM images are 2-dimensional dead shadows. The logic of the system itself says they can not be identified, and aside from debunking morphology as virus-finding, probably shouldnât be done repetitively lest people claim, âsee you did find viruses!â
đHow many times should we nuke a cat in a manhole to prove cats canât withstand the blast?
Proton:
What about controls, do they fix any of the problems with cell cultures weâve discussed?
Kary:
Wake up Proton!đThere is no such thing as a valid CPE control for cell cultures to test for CPE as due to a virusđ. For a valid control test, you would need the natural condition of THE SAME PATIENTâS sample of cells with a virus as the test sample, and for the control the SAME patientâs sample of cells without the virus in the same cell culture TAKEN AT THE SAME TIME to rule-out other possible causes of CPE in the patient that could be individual, disease, and time-dependent (like toxins, inflammation, sepsis, electrolyte disturbance for example) in order to be sure the control is exactly the same as the with-virus sample.
But, even if you could centrifuge the virus out, this makes the time stamp on the cultures change, and you have now also changed the non-virus control by shaking all the cells so that it is not a valid control anymore. Maybe the spinning would result in more or less CPE when these cells are used to test for CPE, who knows and who cares, these cells are shaken-up so they are not just the same sample sans the virus.
đIn any case you already have a virus, do you want to disprove what you have already proven to have? These two sets of conditions (same patient at the same time stamp, one with virus and one with virus removed) are clearly mutually exclusiveđĄ
Even if we could clear all these unclearable hurdles, viruses have also been said by virologists and health authorities to be asymptomatic (Covid), or dormant (HIV). Thus negative CPE does not mean no virus was present under these narratives.
đYou can not do any rational kind of CPE study for virus finding or characterization. All you are doing is sloshing around the virus story, which is what I did in this talk too. This must stop.
Neither virologists with gotcha! smiles nor strutting an official researcherâs ID badge can find a virus. The wedding ring means gotta keep that paycheck coming.
Proton:
Ok I got it, so how can we find a virus and characterize it?
Kary:
First, be clear that âvirusâ only has a conceptual definition as a virus has never been found. Viruses, Bigfoot, ghosts, and many other things that cycle around conversations and texts are only constructs in the mind, there is no objective finding of these things. Maybe someday there could be but not likely, itâs more likely that persons with ulterior motives take advantage of the human nature to âbelieveâđĄ
To attempt to isolate an object that might be a virus you must first ultracentrifuge (spin) a sample taken from an ill patient looking for the 100nm size band in a gradient that separates particles based on density. The 100nm size is based on reports that claim that viruses are in that size range, but since virus particles have never actually been found there is no physical proof of a virus size. Non-virus objects that do exist like exosomes and phages are also in this size-range. Then you see if the sample is nearly purified on Electron Microscopy by confirming the objects you see from the density band are identical. Then you go back the density band you confirmed was purified in the centrifuge pellet and characterize the sample: genome, protein structure, infectivity and pathogenicity in another host, reisolate, purify, and again characterize to confirm similarity to the original. There is no cell culture involved in this procedure.
The above has never been done (probably because a particle fitting the definition of a virus has never been found), so that viruses are just guesswork and models (and sometimes fraud) based on some symptoms and lab tests that can be âpositiveâ due to many things.
[Kary stole this blurb from here]
Proton:
Much thanks Kary, youâre not the stupid drug abusing surfer people say you are. But they really took you for a ride on pcr didnât they?
Kary:
Proton, cool-off with all these corny Substack Posts! Get off your ass, put on some placards and go protest in front of the NIH with some crisis actors and fake news crew. Now that could get attention. So when are we going surfing? Thereâs some great waves here in Valhalla.
Suddenly, hissing static soundâŠâĄâĄâĄpsssâĄâŠâĄ...psss
Proton murmurs: Kary? Kary? Are you there? Then shouts, KARY COME BACK WE NEED YOU!!!
Proton starts shedding tears đą
20 minutes go by, no reply. I guess the lineâs dead. How sad..is Kary really dead? Proton really starts balling about Karyđ§đ§đ§đ§đ§đ§đ§đ§đ§
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Take away from todayâs post:
1. Light microscopy of cell cultures that do not use cell samples from the human host being studied is not a naturalistic study and thus not applicable to the object of the study.
2. Cells used in cell cultures i.e., monkey kidney cells, have abnormal genetics which may cause them to multiply abnormally and/or die easily.
3. The procedure of cell cultures to add toxic antibiotics and starvation will itself cause CPE invalidating the procedure as study of any cause of CPE.
4. Cell cultures can not isolate nanometer-size theoretical virus particles.
5. Cell culture controls to study CPE from a theoretical virus are impossible because they would require using the same hostâs cells taken at the same time and place as the test sample without a theoretical virus in it. If there was a virus, the control culture could not be a study of the same human sample sans the virus as the process of removing a virus would change the cells in the control.
6. The official narrative of dormant or asymptomatic viruses negates the ability to conclude that negative CPE means there is no virus, making the entirety of CPE study for viruses invalid.
7. The premise that CPE is a surrogate marker for a virus is untenable since no isolated virus has ever been studied to show CPE to begin with.
8. Viruses can not be isolated on electron microscopy of cell cultures as images are dead 2-dimensional shadows on a detector plate and from a mixture of multiple objects and substances of unknown content and characteristics that are impossible to study from just a 2-dimensional image.
9. Finding virus-size particles requires an ultra-centrifuge density gradient, confirmation of object morphologic purity on electron microscopy, then characterization from the centrifuge pellet. There is no cell culture involved.
For those of you who noticed, I havnât been so nice to Kary in the past. Today though weâve reconciled our differences:
Yours Truly,
Proton Magic & Co.
All images link to source and are for educational purposes only. The Kary Mullis conversation is fictitious., any resemblance to real persons is purely coincidental, but it could still be real if you believe it.







NOTE ON THIS POST
đI only used Kary as a MECHANISM to make the boring topic of cell cultures readable and to get attention to the post. NOTHING about this post is about Kary or my opinion about him actually.
đThis post is also not about any other specific person, researcher, journalist, or pundit even though others have stimulated my thinking and topics inherently overlap. It is strictly on the Proton Magic take on how to conceptualize cell cultures related to virus finding and phenomena related to CPE. Study, ask questions, and search for truths without prejudice to the information provided by others.
I received a communication about genetics and exosomes.
-- On genetics, I only mentioned this, "Cells used in cell cultures i.e., monkey kidney cells, have abnormal genetics which may cause them to multiply abnormally and/or die easily."
Ref: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10242654/
--On exosomes I only mentioned this, "EM images are just dead two-dimensional shadows on a detector plate, they are not objects that can be taken out and characterized so we donât know what these are. I venture to say they are cell fragments and/or exosomes (vesicles from dying cells) from the CPE."
Ref: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7000698/