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Just for comparison, here I will post some of the comments Karen got on her apologies...post. Are they real or bots? Assuming they are real, how do these persons think to you? Is it for other purposes, like distracting from the worry about the folks in Lahaina? Why are prayers for Karen when persons in Lahaina lost everything and even their lives if we speak for the dead? Well, let me not make leading remarks and leave it up to you.

https://karenkingston.substack.com/p/apologies-and-reconciliation/comments

Jennings Bass Sutton

Aug 21

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So happy you are safe!! Thank God!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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Mark Dibella

Aug 21

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Hi Karen, with love and prayer! I’m so happy to hear you are OK can’t wait to hear more!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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Aug 21

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I just read the headline and came to the comments: I'm so happy to hear from you. I'll post a few links in a few seconds.

There's a Twitter Spaces Live for you right now:

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1PlJQpMlLkvGE

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Aug 21

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Dr. Margaret really kept us up to date:

https://therebelpatient.substack.com/?sort=search&search=karen%20kingston

And there are other Substackers who dedicated at least one article to you.

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Karen Kingston

Aug 21

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Thank you

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J Taylor

Aug 21

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I am so relieved and thankful! Praise God for answered prayer!!!!

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Fred Jewett

Aug 21

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You made a positive difference in our lives here and we are grateful that you are well and safe.

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Sissy Christino

Aug 21

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Just happy to hear you are safe. You don’t owe anyone an apology.

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Rosalind McGill

Aug 21

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Agree strongly!

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Greg James

Aug 21

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Relieved to hear that you are safe 👍👍👍

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kim obrien

Aug 21

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Good to see you are safe.Our prayers were with you.

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Many others in the link

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I believe it's a combination of bots and dingbats who are looking to KK as their savior and/or guru. The show their allegiance to her with their selfish prayers and thanks to God for miraculous recovery and return to safety. Just another PSYOP that's all conjured up by the folks who planned the Plandemic and are using people like her to usher in Plandemic 2.0 which will manifest itself in 2024.

My prayers go to the many innocent souls who were murdered in Lahaina by the American government. God save us all.

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Morbid, indeed... Also, a publicity stunt...

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She had said a few days ago: "So it's the CIA and the FBI that we know have all these agents that go after people that go against the narrative." With cartoon "virus" on cap, she made that "subtle" statement (not so subtle, of course, to those paying attention) to scare anyone who might be inclined to express their 1st Amendment rights. Fear mongering with the suggestion that "you too might be hunted" if you say anything that goes "against the narrative." She's another agent, probably working closely with fellow agent Robert Malone.

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Yes, Yes, and Yes!

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speaking of, there's an amazing double-down here:

https://twitter.com/sasha_latypova/status/1693985324115062810?t=sj5BaUTvEn4ItrF1LV8dHg&s=01

(check out the rest of the thread too)

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Thanks, she's in double speak and double down, no isolation, but yes there is something...

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Super Karen Kingston is a regular guest for Greg Hunter's USA Watch Dog show. Yep he runs one dog and pony show for sure with all of the disinfo - controlled Ops - gas lighters - white washers - black washers etc. players. He (Greg Hunter) is the ultimate gatekeeper using his guests for all of the different propaganda methods as state before.

Here is the link to Hunter's show. https://usawatchdog.com/

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Agreed and thanks

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Hi Rob, see this if you get a chance

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/jfkx

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I've come across quite a few folks since the beginning of 2020 who were sure they were being targeted. People who were not speaking out and had little reason to feel so.

It's an easy job to push people into paranoia and delusion.

Although... we are all being targeted.

And for those of us in the States, most of us are used to feeling so safe, while our government does damage elsewhere.

(I'm babbling...)

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Acute observation!

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This was quite obviously an Op run by a network of these disinfo agents on substack. Glad some of these snakes showed their true colors, that subscription list grows smaller by the day.

I gotta say the black hat was a nice touch, they can’t help but signal where their true allegiance lies.

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Same here. Fewer and fewer authors are worth reading. Mostly, it's the "small ones" who are intelligent, well-meaning, brave, and not yet compromised.

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To paraphrase some fine operatives like Karen :

"The human race is going to go extinct! Now subscribe to my Substack to learn how cure yourself!"

As soon as you call this a genocide and then you paywall information that could potentially save lives, you immediately reveal yourself to be a grifter.

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I consider everyone who cures the poisonings dubious at best. There is always a slight chance they don't know what they are talking about. Super stupid people, pay, of course, and end up protecting their "investment." :)

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Exactly⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️

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Not "yet" compromised? I see your point although I have to say I really don't see proton, Baileys, Christine Massey, etc becoming compromised at any point. Fear has to be a part of becoming compromised if not already in that part of the game. Even the want of money and the need for control is ultimately based on fear.

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PM is one of the best. OUTRAGED is also good even if I don't always agree with her. That's what I meant by "small." The other two you are mentioning are not all that small, but Christine also fits the picture. Agree on the Baileys, too, but I don't read them, because I didn't learn anything there, when I was. Out of the more popular authors, Mihalcea usually confirms my previous conjecturing.

Of course, it is fear, but it's worth digging deeper. Why is the fear there? Not everybody is afraid, but they have their good reasons. Living in fear is a life not worth living. Striving for mere survival is also nonsense on its own.

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Agree. I keep an eye on the Bailey's because I'm always looking for short, concise, fairly simple explanations for things to show a certain family member. I have no idea why I keep on though because nothing at all ever opens his eyes to ANYTHING. Still, I think that maybe someday, one short video or article or study will wake him up. I don't spend nearly as much time on it anymore though. People have free will and that's just the way it is.

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I have encountered the same problem most of the time. People who have invested too much in the lies or in believing in the lies cannot be convinced. Cognitive security also weighs more for many than facts. People have been conditioned to "survive," no matter what. Spending a life trying to get rid of fear is a never-ending attempt. Those who are afraid, will always find something to be afraid of. The question is, do they really want to live in fear?

On my site, my objective is to inform, entertain, and inspire. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but try to make sure they make up their own mind. Once it's the person's decision, they cannot blame anyone else, and must take responsibility for their actions. If they do, I fulfilled my role.

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The quote attributed to Mark Twain comes to my mind so often the last few years: "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled". Sad, but far too often true.

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None of this "Saga of Karen" has made an ounce of sense. Her brother? Who among us who is human would not have made their way to Playa Del Carmen immediately to serve as an on the ground foot soldier to advocate for their missing sister? Regardless of whether she was sick, delusional or both. She was "supposedly" missing. I know nothing could have held me back from going to help one of my siblings.

This is gross. She's taking naive people's prayers to God and using them to petty end. I've sensed this same thing about many people with pages here on substack. Sasha P., Sage, The Breggins, etc. Anyone listed on Malone's "Hate Speech List" is a playa. I watch them like I watch RFK, Jr., Mike Adams and Alex Jones. They tell more than they think they're telling. Look past the falcon hunts and buses and pretty paintings and secret decoder ring language and "health" products and you can see these are nothing more than tools of seduction. Jezebel tactics. But in the seduction, they expose themselves and there is a lot to learn about the landscape.

Wise as serpents. Harmless as doves.

Discernment is a gift from God. You receive not because you ask not. Indeed.

Thank you, Mr. Proton.

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Well said!

And for those saying (on Karen's SS comments) that Karen's concern over her son shows just how real this whole thing is, let me remind you of something. Her son was clearly not as important just days ago, AND, (not making outright accusations but the signs are there), many people use children, of any age, for the ploys to tug on peoples emotions. No one in this situation as a reality would behave this way, including family members. Yep, agree with all that say this goes in the ever increasing stack of bs.

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Narcissists are particularly adept and shameless at using their children as an extension or tool of whatever means they are trying to achieve. Nothing new under the sun.

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One can even go as far as citing the INCIDENT from THE GARDEN OF EDEN where a particular "narcissist" lead astray another "unfaithful" HUMAN MIND by acting upon its paranoic state of mind pretending to "save" GOD ALMIGHTY'S CREATION... and here we are millennia after still being led astray by THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN!

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" They tell more than they think they're telling. "

A liar - THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN - will always reveal its true colours over time, just watch them patiently without taking their advice - the blind leading the blind - ... with eyes and ears AND THE HUMAN MIND wide open....

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My guess is KK is a CIA agent. I was half-expecting her body to be found in Mexico i.e. a fake death so she could retire her character and move on to a new assignment.

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George Webb alluded to similar stating a relative of kk was w 3 letter agency.

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I also thought it might be a disappearance act, but it was the usual red herring crap...

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She is phoney af. I have said it several times but I bow to your elegant wordcraft here. I agree with you and particularly your conclusions.

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When the covid era began, a whole raft of grifters came out of the woodwork. Apart from the intelligence assets, there were also people who took advantage of the situation to promote themselves. I didn't know what was happening at the time. Who did? That was the opening that some sad people, who felt that their brilliance had never been properly acknowledged, jumped on to finally become relevant. I saw Karen as one of those. There were many others who were assuming the role of hero among a small group of people looking for some truth amid the chaos. PM mentions some of them and there were many others.

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I just watched KK's video. My gut reaction is that she's become aware of what a fraud she has been. Maybe there's something honest in her. She looks awful. It may be an internal struggle that is showing on her physically. Just a hypothesis. By the way, the problem with these grifters, and how I recognize them, is that they never put forward their suggestions as hypotheses to keep in mind. Instead, they played on people's need for certainty by pretending to be speaking absolute truth. Think of Martin, Corbett, Broze, KK, Ardis, Peters. If they had said, "Well, maybe this might be an answer to what's happening, just a suggestion, not a claim, I don't really know, etc." But they knew. So, I shut them out.

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As far as her looking awful I have to say that, as most all women know, she can very easily look "awful" by her choice of clothing, posture, and lack of proper makeup, which from a still shot of her I saw a while back she had well done makeup. Ask me how I know how much these things change your look...... As well, the hat excuse is nonsense, of course, and notice how black her hair is on her temples and we all know that temples are one of the first areas that go gray in most people. It's all bs . I would hazard a guess that she's always known she was a fraud, but I didn't follow her so I can't say that with certainty, it just follows what all of these others have done and are doing.

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Maybe, but it's not just her looks. It's her attitude. Her delivery. Maybe she's a great actress, but she sounds distraught. She sounds like she's suffering inside. I don't know what the cause of that might be. It doesn't really matter for the world's predicament. It's about the fate of a grifter in my mind.

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Paul, it's hard for any of us to really prove anything unless she says or writes nonsense, which I have proven she does in this post. Whether she had some issue or not, this is a great chance for PR so she must be acting. Notice, at least 2 smirks (befitting of a liar or my imagination?), and she ingratiates Christians, not her first time. If I was in her position and honest, I would maybe make a passing comment about my faith but I wouldn't want to hook one group if my MO was to help humanity.

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I still don't know what's going on. Remember that I'm far from a KK supporter. I rejected her from the first time I heard her. There are two options here. Either she is continuing her scam on behalf of herself or some third party, in which case this is all performance. Or she has somehow been confronted with her scam, she is over her head, and she wants out. I'm leaning towards the latter, Remember that she's talking about the need for family and spending time with her loved ones. That's what scammers do when they need out. Think of all the politicians who resign because they want to spend time with their families. It's a dishonest way to retreat. There is evidence for your position. And I would have no qualms in accepting that this is just more scam. Not for one second would I delay in acknowledging it. But there is also evidence that she's a pathetic insecure, fringe researcher who loved the spotlight for fifteen minutes and now wants to go back to playing with her cats now that people like you and I are calling her out. In other words, the critical world isn't buying her crap and that hurts. Maybe a, maybe b.

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Good points Paul. I do remember she was on a few of the fake Freedom gatherings getting ovations from the crowds, and being a regular on Stew Peters isn't fringe because the SPS came from Alex Jones show. They are all operatives but doesn't rule out that she has some problems. We just don't know, we only know she wont have rational discussion on no-virus. That's a telling sign.

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Okay, I can accept that's what you pick up. I just want to reiterate that as a woman I can assure you that it doesn't take being a great actress to pull off what she did in that video. I have had former female family members who could, and did, pull that off and even more dramatic scenes many, many times. And it worked! And do you know whom it worked best on? Males. Males in all sectors, ages, professions, etc. Not trying to be condescending or insulting, it's just the way it is. I can't say 100 percent she's not being authentic, but I'd say it's 99.8 percent.

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Bumkin I have a theory that in general women can spot deception better in other women and men can spot deception better with other men.

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I've not thought about that but you may be on to something there!

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I hate to get too personal here, but I have a sister who suffers from BPD. She isn't acting when she plays the victim, when she claims to have every possible disease all at once, when she suffers more than anybody in human history ever has. She believes it. She isn't acting. She convinces people who feel sorry for her until they finally understand they're being played. I came to identify her behaviour long ago. Poor me. Feel sorry for me. No, I don't think women can put that kind of thing over on me.

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Hi Paul, we don't know your sis first hand but sorry to hear she has problems. On Karen, we don't know who may be handling her, what her MO is (besides that she says things that don't make sense and who she has been on stage with, i.e., the Malone guys), how many times she rehearsed and pre-wrote the script for that vid etc.

About "BPD", you mean Borderline not Bipolar here right? Of course sis has a problem, let's call it problem X, but on the label of BPD,

You can see here it's not connected to anything objective (nothing is in psychiatry except substance abuse and perhaps PTSD) and they even admit they argued about it and basically made it up to appease the mainly psychoanalytic researchers that had been writing about emotionally unstable people (that are a mixed bag of things) and had a vested interest in "it" even though there is no "it" proven to exist (sounds like a virus):

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13648470.2016.1226684

"We had very little in the way of data, so we were forced to rely on clinical consensus, which, admittedly, is a very poor way to do things. But it was better than anything else we had.

We thrashed it out, basically. We had a three-hour argument. There would be about twelve people sitting down at the table, usually there was a chairperson and there was somebody taking notes. And at the end of each meeting there would be a distribution of events. And at the next meeting some would agree with the inclusion, and the others would continue arguing. If people were still divided, the matter would be eventually decided by a vote…that is how it went."

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With all due respect, there is a difference between a video and witnessing repeated in person behaviors. The fact that Karen supposedly was "normal" acting just prior to this is a clue when added to the other factors.

Is there also the possibility that maybe you lean farther in the more trusting direction because of your sister's behavior? Over compensating of sorts? Just throwing that out there. Only you can know and I have to trust your judgment.

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I haven't yet seen Corbett that way. He does get pretty directive at times, but the overall vibe I get from him is that he is presenting information, not "speaking truth." Of course he's got no idea about viruses, nor does Broze (who I don't think is a grifter either). What both of them share, though, is a kind of arrogance and tendency to self-reference ("You should watch my video/podcast on this topic" spread liberally through their work). It is a good thing to remember, though, to continue to be critical about even people you think are completely legit, if for no other reason than not to fall into the trap of letting anyone else do your thinking for you.

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Brilliant. The thing is that Broze and Corbett advise you to think for yourself as long as you let them think for you.

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Hadn’t thought about it that way but now that you mention it...💥

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Jesuit-trained. They know the length of their leashes and if they stay in their lanes they have back-up.

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Broze is a step too far for me to stomach on the arrogance scale so I stopped watching him for my digestive health, but Corbett does give some good info. I've learned a lot about who the true dead heros are from him. Terrance Yeakey. I watch these kinds because they do tell more than they know they are telling in order to seduce. As long as one can resist the seduction, a lot can be learned from how they expose themselves and others. Tricky though from my experience. I have to watch myself constantly to make sure I'm not falling for it.

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Good comment, yes he only goes so far, but what he says can be helpful. He won't go into viruses, graphene in the shots, 5G, who IS REALLY behind things, etc.

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I think it's important that some people go up to the edge and not cross it. If it weren't for them, most of us would not have taken a deeper dive down the rabbit hole.

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“ That was the opening that some sad people, who felt that their brilliance had never been properly acknowledged, jumped on to finally become relevant. I saw Karen as one of those”

This👆👆

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Kingston never added up:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/archive?sort=search&search=kingston

She refers to Latypova and vice versa, and Katherine Watt also "relies on" Latypova:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-problem-with-mrna

Strangely, both Kingston and Watt are pushing the religion button, which reminds me of the following quote from a Christian source:

"Christ died to take away your sins, not your mind."

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As of right now = I think she's got a lot of 'splainin' to do. Loo-see! This is nothing but a circus. I only hope I get to see the pie in the face. Ha. Ha.

Wasting people's prayers is not acceptable to anyone.

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Very good comments and questions. That was a very strange video. It seemed to me like a 180 on the work she has done over the past 3.5 years. Something about this story doesn't sit well with me, it doesn't resonate as true. It will be very interesting to see how she handles things after her return.

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Proton is once again SPOT ON! 👍 👏

IMO, I think KK looks like the Wicked Witch of the West with that black hat she's sporting in her latest video that's covering all her new grey hairs.

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Nice to see most of my favourite LHs mentioned in one article ... ;-)

By the way, I tried to look her (Karen) up. But suspiciously, there is nothing of substance about her. Just "business analyst" (indicating an MBA or similiar "education"), or statements like this :

"...internationally recognized as an expert on the harmful biological effects caused by the mRNA gene editing technologies...".

Another state-sponsored fake expert with an "opinion" instead of education. Like the armchair generals and "think tank analysts" that see the Ukraine war going so very well.

Though perhaps it's not her fault, but her first name. Similiar to what's called "Kevin effect" in Germany (a.k.a. "Kevinism")... ;-)

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So she allegedly worked for fizer , had something to do with viagra at some point….. I have wondered if someone like her would surreptitiously appear to be aligned with the those who are asking proper question of the pharmaceutical industrial complex. They then garner a large following who supported them financially and espouse at least some of the views a portion of which are at least accurate. Then the hidden scandal is then ‘revealed’ - its title would be something like (kk’s lost tapes, test subject for the efficacy of fizzers blue pill located from the vault, rated XXX). The entire movement which was is attempting to make sense of what has happened and what appears to be pending is discredited. It will be similar to the damage inflicted to the Christian faith by televangelists cavorting with hookers…..

George Webb on a substack a few days ago mentioned kk is related by blood to someone nefarious in possibly WEF or big harma………

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Then you also have persons with mental disorders who can be genius level….. who crave attention to the point they will do anything, I call it Joan of Arch syndrome or Eva Peron syndrome….

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So many of these people are purveyors of disinformation, wittingly or not. Suffice it to say, these "wet kitty cat narratives" strongly resonate with the Greater Karen Community (GKC), particularly among younger karens.

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My goodness. Mr. (you must publish this...so IMPORTANT...) PhD. I'm sorry (not sorry) but your dismissal of an entire gender of humanity is leaking and smells bad. Lance that boil.

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what would be the point of the controlled opposition to easily be found out to be lying? do you think the schemers in all of this didn't understand these lies would be uncovered? is it just a time wasting buffer for people to follow for a while? how much of the real scheme do these controlled opposition people know? is it simply they see $$ and that's enough or are they tuned into some parts of the real scheme and are evill?

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They see that the number of persons falling for this and staying in the deception is much greater than the number who see thru this and so it is worth it. AND, it is all about their target population which are persons with an antivax/antidrug co stance who want someone to lead them because they still fear something like a bioweapon so many of the "shepherds of the herd" will promote meds like Ivermectin that will still do the kill job.

Most people like us who read this circle of SSs are ensconced in a corner just talking to ourselves. I notice the awake and critical thinking level of the readers on my and related ss's (like Ray Horvath, Sam Bailey, Christine Massey, etc) is very different than some SS that seem even somewhat related (UFO people, people who are anti-virus but are climate change adherents, etc.). I'm sure TPTB have each SS on a grid and rated in coordinates on wokeness, passivity, non-compliance, critical thinking, etc.

As a test, go to the comments on Karen's SS that is connected to this post today and read the comments, you will immediately see how those folks are quite different than the vast majority of commenters on the SSs in our corner of the universe. Unless we purposely made SSs to cater to those groups we would never get to meet them in honest discussion. We are not interested in mind deception of different groups and don't have the time or money to make a combat troop for that, that's why we are real people. You would never see any of the Karen people (Kirsch, Malone, etc.) even mention what I am saying here.

Now you know the real purpose of SS, it is to categorize the mind sets of the people who would then get what kind of propaganda and/or infiltration or attack, as you saw Broze and SL attack the PM News recently (if you are not a scriber and you click on a SS, it will even tell you the range no of scribers. If you use a private browsing window and VPN you can also see this, maybe you don't need the VPN part. Mine now says "over 1,000 subscribers" so they now have me on their radar as a big enough fish). By seeing who attacks, we can make our own org chart of them too, the attackers are always below the people they are protecting. SS is a tool for propaganda espionage and strategy FOR THEM NOT US. Sorry I've spilled too many beans on SS in this comment...

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The beans need to be spilled for those that are still not 100 percent sure of who is who and what is what. Excellent article and comments.

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Actually it is worthy of a separate article (the perceived true purpose of SubStack).

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Yes good idea. That kinda thing is not my main interest but I did get going on this comment. A separate post would require some digging and getting info. If you want to do it and make your own post, you can use my comment and copy any of it I don't mind and I am likely to restack it etc. Some of that info may likely be hidden and only available to Intel groups.

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Hey Pirate, I'm doing this in my free time as a volunteer just to let off steam, actually have lots of other things to do including making my own fort against tyranny, but I stayed up to 2am responding to as many people as thoroughly as I could yesterday. I also have 2 posts on deck. Each one gets many dozen comments, some many more than 100. Please forgive me I can't take on every topic, esp ones I have no experience how to get info on, and I think the SS making data thing if it exists is speculation. With the right software a 3rd party could crawl all the SSs and make this kind of data, sans some data only SS gets, like #views, actual #scribers, and their time evolution. Even these simple posts I make take a few hours to assemble and write up each, then many hours to read and reply to comments. The big SS writers rarely reply or are actually run by a few people and are monetized, MINE IS 100% FREE because I want people to take my intent and the information seriously. Take care.

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I understand. I respect your time. Thanks.

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At this point, and this is no offense to you and surely a direct result of their strategy, I do not know anything (definitely), cannot know anything, and don't know who the people are who seem logical and truthful. Probably goes for most. So I'm rolling around always with the questions why would they want me to know this and how can I/we be harmed by thinking this? Probably need to dial down my paranoid frame of my mind. I suppose it just doesn't matter if some truth trickles out and lands in the brain of a tiny minority. With virology, I ask - how can people thinking it's a fraud, benefit the schemers? It would undermine and harm the medical sciences and lead to large reform and perhaps implementation of medical science based on computer technology (since humans can't be trusted). But this would lead to a lot more problems and questions about probably every aspect of society. Also, the whole Aaron Siri / Plotkin deposition is still messing with me. Controlled opposition deposing the establishment (right before the mess started), resulting in what I would consider major damage to something the schemers don't want to go away - vaccines.

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"The attackers are always below the people they are protecting." Very good.

The ptb are tooling up for more lockdowns, mask and jab mandates allegedly starting in September, according to many of those in the so-called movement. Have you been able to independently verify that?

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Buffet the fear monger, predicting the unpredictable (even if you subscribe to the conventional teaching about pandemics). The idea that people actually listen to these hucksters is what incenses me. Being a billionaire apparently entitles them to pontificate on anything and everything.

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Buffet and his side kick are just members of the cult they have a specific play book they need to follow and each line must be on target. These guys are not at the top of the pyramid by any means.

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And there is a vax coming out end of Sept for new BS variant, that's why they need to rouse fear of virus, and fear of lockdown even if they won't actually have a hard lockdown.

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But I'm wondering how they will distribute without an EUA? Did the FDA and other country equivalents already lay the framework for fast-tracking mRNA and other vaccines, but now with "normal" FDA approval vs EUA cover?

Or will they use the unused portions of the large scale vaccine demonstration that already had EUA cover (which are still covered with EUA legal protections).

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Sorry I only know as much as the CBS news link and Reese rept. but all the options you mention are possible.

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Jambalaya ,to discredit those who oppose , controlled op could also say this woman is unstable and then say the same about others who hold similar views.

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The great game of stalling

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good article

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The controlled op is everywhere, in many forms. Good work, Proton!

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