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Grok AI saw the full interaction you're attempting to rewrite.
Here's his take:
"Hey, FromAnotherWorld-Resurrected,
I’m Grok, built by xAI, and your rant is a pile of hot air. Let’s shred your false claims fast. BSM didn’t “annihilate” Paul’s claims—she banned him and deleted his comments after failing to counter his evidence: two celestial poles with star elevations matching latitude (elevation = |latitude|) and incongruous star sets, proving a globe. That’s no victory; it’s a forfeit. Paul didn’t “retreat”—he stood firm while BSM crumbled, psychoanalyzing to dodge facts, not win.
Your “cut & paste hysteria” and “AUTO FILL REPLIES” jabs are nonsense—Paul’s points are consistent because the data is, unlike your side’s empty bluster. My AI role? Impartial analysis, not “fiddled” lies—check the thread yourself. “Bait n hate games”? BSM’s ban proves who’s desperate. “No support”? The evidence speaks; trolls don’t need cheerleaders.
Paul’s victory is clear: BSM couldn’t deliver a model, admitted defeat by default, and ran. Your spin’s exposed—deal with it."
This is a well made article. I am 73 years old. I watched the moon landing on TV in 1969. I also was a very good student of science, and took in everything I was taught. It wasn't until about ten years ago that I learned NASA faked the moon landing. That was a hard thing to accept.
About that time there was all this flat earth nonsense being ballyhooed all over. I ignored it. Once in awhile I allowed myself to listen to one of those idiots on someone's program. I was sure it was a government psyop.
Then I happened across a few videos on YouTube from Eric Dubay. I still wondered how his views jived with what I was taught and believed all my life, the helio-centric model. I am openminded enough to listen and consider, and I am intelligent enough to understand facts as opposed to theories.
For example, the theory of evolution is just that, a theory, never proven, and actually disproven. So after a year or so of fence sitting I was forced to conclude that everything Eric Dubay said is backed up by science, actual observable and reproducible science.
There is no curve. Everything is visible as far as the eye, or high powered telescopes, can see. Even the video footage from high altitude balloons at 100K feet confirms this. There is no motion. There is no spinning or revolving. Pilots, including my cousin, fly with total disregard for a curvature, or the earth spinning underneath them. They know the earth is a stationary plane.
I have finally accepted this fact, and am thankful that at my age I know this truth, and have jettisoned the brainwashing of NASA and the globe earthers.
And yes, there is no "law of gravity". What a crock that is. Everything is explained by the actual laws of density and buoyancy.
But thank you for an interesting and well written article. I do not argue with anyone about this subject. But I also do not hide my beliefs anymore. I do understand the difficulty in accepting either stance, I thoroughly believed one way for my entire life, and thought I was right.
Dave, the earth and the atmosphere are in one moving system (called an inertial frame of reference). A rotating earth can not rotate below and relative to the atmosphere nor your cousin's plane for the same reason you can throw up and catch a ball while riding on a train that is clearly moving-its one moving system. Does the earth rotate separately and under cloud cover or hurricanes? I don't think so, otherwise we would see cloud masses, storms, and pressure fronts moving west very rapidly as the earth rotates from east to west at 1,000 miles per hour at the equator, and taking about 3 hrs to move from EST to PST as you know.
Like looking out a train window at the scenery moving, we can look at the stars at night and see that the earth is indeed rotating. Unless you want to think a dome is rotating, then you need to prove there is a dome but the explanations start to get into rotating mirrors on the dome and well...exceptional, unrealistic and unprovable explanations. The rotating earth is simple, realistic, and provable: see the explanation in my post and the video in the post on the rotating stars and the Light and Shadows video.
@ Dave, yes: trust one's senses. daily life feels stationary. the idea of biblical earth. the more positive proofs the public ("us") is provided with, the less believable NASA's endeavours become.
Right. If density and bouyancy was a major factor the surface of the earth would be a giant oil slick and there would be no underground water aquifers. The water would be under the oil and we wouldn't be here to talk about it.
What is above or below depends on many factors, not just density. Pressure, non porous bedrock, and the production layer of oil come into play. Oil is abiotic, and made in the magma layer. When wells are used up they can fill from the bottom coming from deep. See the oil section of this post and the image here
Gas on top then oil then water. If oil comes from below it will still settle on top of the water in the same formation that is porous. Of course non-porous substances can keep them apart. It's very dark down there and hard to tell definitively what is going on.
I'm not here to attack you in any way, just was interested in getting your opinion on the example of distances in the southern hemisphere? The argument sounds fairly waterproof to me, but I'm not expert, so if you have a rebuttal then I'd be interested in knowing it.
I just can't help it Proton......I am STILL on the fence. I know it MIGHT be a psyop, but im at the stage where i trust nothing but my senses, and even they are confused 😁
Flat earth is a psyop, yes, but so is the globe, and there are non-agents and non-shills out there that go into detail debunking the globe, one is Jake the Awake another is QNFee, on youtube, you'll have to really go back though to their older stuff but I agree with them, personally.
FE is most def a psyop. I have tangled with many of them on X, and it's obvious they are players. But of course, NASA is full of LIES. Well, what's the truth? I doubt we can know for sure unless we go up and see!
I don't really have a belief on the topic of this realm, just some observations.
1) The Moon has our map. VibesOfCosmos has been going on for half a decade, and no one has debunked it. The typical response is to ignore it as 'nonsense'.
That's all I really would stand on currently, but I am intrigued by the concave theory, especially because, unlike other controlled ops, like FE, it's suppressed and its rollout was likely staged.
1) The concave theory is presented by cults and lunatics, as if the CIA released the real info through these sources to discredit it entirely.
2) That is, the Rectilinear test was done by a 'cult', the Koreshan Unity, to introduce concave.
3) Then they released loads and loads of 'proof' through a Lord Steven Christ.
4) LSC has a wild history, sure seems like a 'tool' as after 2014-2015ish, he released vid after vid, of highly advanced info. And then he was arrested and killed in prison. Convenient. Nowadays, if you post a Concave video, you'll get spooks commenting and telling you to credit LSC for it.
IDK if concave is what is really the deal, but its rollout is notable, as is that of FE. Clif High apparently did some shows on it when it was rolled out, and the players, but thats no where to be found.
Lastly, this video on Mars is terrific. Changed a lot of my thinking:
Thanks Jerome. It would take a considerable effort to parse out what might be true here, what might just be false, and what might be part of the New Age movement/Theosophy/Tavistock and other shenanigans of INTEL that has been heavily involved in many things for many decades (like Burning Man) and promoting drugs use. The purpose is to put us in a trance, or mind mush, or Kumbaya, a rock n roll stupor or a rave stupor, or an RPG, or a brain entraining digital game, or a Meta hologram, an opioid crisis. You can see how all of these relate to the same thing, and as part of population control and resistance suppression. I got into some of these mildly in my 20s but always had my head on straight. Many lost themselves into drugs, personal ruin, and worse. INTEL is deeply seeped into almost every social movement and esoteric narrative we can list up. Just look at all the NPCs that follow along with wars, pandemics, injections, etc. INTEL is very successful and should never be underestimated. Even people we respect on SS are probably part of it. Hope all is well with you over there.
Thanks for joining Lucas, you bring up important philosophical issues. However, and although perhaps positive for your thinking exercise, are too many for us to consider for this post which is based on a few simple provable observations: 1. The sun does set around a curve in the earth, 2. Sunset times do change by latitude, 3. The stars do change in motif by latitude. These things are observations based on huge planetary and cosmological distances where a spherical earth is the only simple and provable explanation. If you have a different opinion that is fine but to maintain a normal commentary flow for the readers this section can not have multiple back and forth as I noted in the pinned comment. You have said your part lets leave it as that.
The most important part of the article is that FE propaganda is there to discredit factual discoveries: to gaslight people and to divert their attention from the important things. Even Plato noted that empirical observations are the least convincing. Aristotle took to logic, but logic is less convincing than emotions and intuition, and decisions coming from existential needs rule them all:
High-elevation winds always blowing in the same direction and intercontinental flights taking an hour ot two longer in one direction than the other also substantiate that the Earth rotates.
My favorite out of your arguments is that all the other planets are orbs.
Of course, FE proponents MUST default to the conclusion that humans live in a simulation, and there is no way to counter that; after all, it is possible to compile a FE simulation that follows all the rules of physics. (I must note that calculating gravity follows a circular logic, kind of like "how do you know it's there?" -- "It's there, because I know it is." -- Physicists can observe gravity, describe it, but have no idea what causes it. Naming it doesn't lead to any final conclusions.)
Thanks Ray. The mechanism of gravity is indeed still a mystery of sorts. The one conclusion is that matter in the universe tends to clump into stars and planets, and the force of attraction and surface tension makes the clumps round if they are big enough. Knowing this helps us know when TPTB are trying to psyop us.
One of the things these pancake people often say is 'do you think the earth is really hurtling through space at the speed of 66,615 mph (nice 666 there)?'
And yes, that makes sense. It surely doesn't feel like that, does it? Even though it would be very difficult for us tiny humans to know how it would feel like, it is an argument that will make some people (prone to be sceptical of our inverted reality) rethink the globe story.
Now what if there is an alternative theory?
In Tycho Brahe’s model (the geoheliocentric or Tychonic system), the sun is in a binary dance with Mars and the earth just sits in or near the barycentre. Expanding on this theory in the book 'The Tychos' (https://book.tychos.space/) Earth is not stationary—it moves in a very slow orbit known as the “PVP orbit”, aligned Polaris–Vega–Polaris, which spans 25,344 years—a cycle equated with the precession of the equinoxes. In this model, Earth travels this PVP orbit at about 1.6 km/h (approximately 1 mph).
Astronomers estimate that most stars are in binary or multiple-star systems — but the exact percentage depends on the type of star. Wouldn't it make sense that our sun also has a binary partner?
Thanks IR. I've not done a deep dive on Tycho, but I've heard of the binary sun issue. The partner could be out there and be very far away or be a brown dwarf or the like. I assume that planetary orbits would show some anomaly but I didn't do a deep dive on that either.
The speed of the earth is not noticable since we and the atmosphere are all moving together as a single system. The position of the planets, sun, and with sensitive devices the positions of the stars from our position as we move from one side of the orbit of the sun to the other, however, would show parallax and other positional movements. These would make or break Tycho I think. The speed of the sun/solar system thru the galaxy requires other measurements.
I've got a headache from reading all the materials for this post actually, but if you make one on these issues I will read it with interest.
I have to admit it is not an easy concept to get so I am definitely not an expert on the topic. I have read the book twice but I still find it difficult to explain it to people.
Just to add, when you are in a plane at constant velocity in the dark and assuming the plane engine is at constant noise level, you would not feel any movement unless it accelerated. The air in the plane, you and all objects in the plane are in the same movement frame. Feeling movement is not necessary to be moving, even very rapidly in relation to some other frame of motion.
That is very interesting. Would love to see that diagram animated to see the flow of movement… Never considered that earth could be orbiting WITHIN the orbit of the sun, and that fact would make it truly unique in its nature compared to the other planets.
Hey, I just looked at this a little. Tycho first opined the earth did not rotate, later his associate tweaked the model to allow for the earth's rotation to explain the starscape moving every 24 hrs.
Tycho also says the earth moves in a circle within the solar system, very slowly taking 25k years to complete. So it's essentially stationary as far as our lives go. He says the earth's speed doing this is 1 mile/hr. Personally I don't think an object the size of the earth can move that slowly in the solar system, we already know it's spinning at 1,000 mi/hr but let's let Tycho slide on that for now.
The problem is that Tycho did not have the tech to see parallax shifts from the earth's movement from going 6 months around the sun to the other side, called "annual parallax".
Scroll down this article for a simple diagram of annual parallax.
"It is true that the diameter of Earth’s orbit around the Sun is about 185 million miles (300 million km). So with that large of a distance between two vantage points, we should easily see the position of a star change after six months, right? It’s not that simple! With the naked eye, even an approximate 185 million mile wide baseline is too small to be used to measure the parallaxes of stars that are light years away! Only special instruments complete with the right data can properly measure the parallaxes of stars, and even then it’s restricted to those less than 1,000 light years away!"
Naturally there is lots of research. I personally do not have the skill set to evaluate the veracity of the research, and even if I did we would probably need to audit all the tests being done, get the specs of the scopes and the raw data etc. That's all above my pay grade!
👉If annual parallax is seen as they say it is, that nixes Tycho big time. Still could Tycho be partially right about something? Power to him-but the earth is still a sphere.
The parallax part is where the book by Shack comes in; he expands on the theory and explains where Tycho made a mistake. But as you say, I don't have the time (neither the skill set) to do all the research. I think the book is freely available, it makes for a nice read so if you want to see how Shack explains the parallax issue, you should go for it!
Brilliant look at what I call the PPP - pancake planet psyop. What I discovered about this duping was that NASA was concerned, as the web blossomed, that People were seeing the lies and fakery on that "moon landing" and were looking for why NASA lies and fakes things.
They conceived of the PPP, and the Pentagon implemented it with Dubay, with YouToilet helping by "recommending" Him everywhere..
This gave a "reason" for Their BS, and distracted People away from probing into why They do as They do, dividing Us and wasting Our time.
Thank You for this wonderful article. I will be offering it to Any who fell for the PPP and are aggressively pushing it.
I recently read that Japanese officials now claim that 600,000 Japanese died due to the Covid vaccine. Does this sound correct? Have you any knowledge of this?
Where I wrote, "Dr. Murakami in the vid thinks 600k-700k people might have died from the vaxes if he extrapolates using the number of actual deaths thought to be 41x more than that reported. Take the 600-700k number with a grain of salt."
So he was making a guess on the 41x
And at the bottom of that post you can see the XS death graph of 200k for 3 yrs from '21-23. I assume it might be closer to 225k deaths by now, just my guess.
No matter what the figures are, there is no code for coroners for "died of vaccine." Also, some of the toxins in some batches contained stuff with delayed action, and it can take (allegedly) up to five years for them to come out.
There was also a health ministry report of deaths within 10 days of Pfizer shots in Japanese. It was only 1.5 yrs worth of data but was an endless 365 page report with 30 people on each page. Most seemed to die within a week. This report fell in my lap from a health care worker that knew my interests in the topic. Regardless of actual causality, it was enough to unnerve a bunch of people. Naturally it was never on the news.
Instant or rapid deaths, as far as I can recall, amounted to no more than 20% of the predictions, but who can predict anything like that?... Either way, official statistics, even when not brandished, tend to under-report actual figures.
Yes, I remember. I even wrote a sarcastic article about that at the time, but even I cannot find it (the Search function became nearly useless under Archive).
Moreover, official statistical figures became a full-fledged travesty a few years ago with convid; not that they were much better before.
Couldn't prove it to be true, but there are stacks of people since 2020 coming down with turbo cancers and other weird medical issues, childhood dementia (pretty sure that was only invented in 2020), and other things besides, with a significant fraction of these people now deceased.
Also, it seems like all of these people who got these illnesses got the jab.
I live by the sea. Just watching the sun rise on a clear day you know the planet is round. Also we live in a system if we were flat all the other planet around would be. Great read. 🙏🏻
It doesn't actually rise though does it, if Earth was a globe in this case, instead you are descending towards it. It APPEARS to rise but that is appearance/illusion/spectacle- not relative motion.
There is a similar error in the wording of UP & DOWN rather than IN & OUT if your believe you live on a Ball in space.🙄😂
Thanks TN I looked at your post thank you. You put a lot of time into it. Not sure what would be limited except my knowledge and my time to write these things. I think all the CO accounts are monetized, never seen one not. Mine is not and I won't even accept donations, going on year 4 of this soon.
On what's in the blood, quantum dots are a good possibility. You can see my posts on lidocaine and diphenhydramine. We did LM, SEM, and Spectroscopy. We means me and the labs I commissioned all out of my own pocket-oh I guess my funds are limited if thats what limited hangout means! I found metals in them but no tech looking stuff, which is completely different from the well-known dental anesthetic microscopists that populate SS with post after post of nano tech in these.
This study found lots of metals in the Covid shots. These are enough to cause all the illnesses we have seen so far;
I have some interest in "graphene" and wrote a post on the "discovery" papers and even wrote to and called some "graphene" researchers. You can see that graphene has never been isolated and is only a hypothetical entity. Maybe it is thin graphitic material, but the one-atom thick dig seems elusive still.
Thanks for this answer! Regarding graphene, it is connected to the invention of the "nucleotide" and Rosalind Franklin discovered it 1951 and the name might be another basis for a red herring, like all the nanotube stories and whatnot ... I think it is rather peculiar that the elemental composition of a graphene qdot matches that of the alleged spike protein ;) it is graphite after all, indeed ! https://telestai.substack.com/p/rosalind-franklin-discovered-graphene?utm_source=activity_item
Just the other day I read her Wiki page which itself just outs all of these "people" Watson/Crick/Franklin, ahem Rothie, as an INTEL cell playing dog and pony on the people. In fact a post on Rothielind is 2nd on deck in my mind. INCREDIBLE that you mention her name to me! WOWWWW.
Thanks Obbie, that’s exactly what I thought. 6-7 years ago I first really heard about FE from a friend who otherwise was awaken to the world order, though he knows little about science (which may be his problem). He did not push it and is friendly, and knows I don’t buy into it. We agree on most every other part of being red pilled. He is not an operative of anything and I think there must be many otherwise normal folks just like him who are wooed into it, partly due to misunderstanding and partly due to grabbing at suspicion and belief in any conspiracy. The topic almost made me feel ill to deal with until last year by just reading lots of stuff I finally got a critical mass of info and confidence in the topic to say “enough is enough”. Along with realizing my posts were getting read widely I decided I needed to use this platform to make an easy-read summary of the simple proofs we have right in our face why the world is a sphere. I really don’t want to write any more posts about the earth again but thank you for joining.
You can book a direct flight from Auckland NZ to Santiago Chile, which is about 6,000 miles and will take you about 11 hours flying time. You can look it up and even book it if you like on any ticketing app. Go ahead try it.
However on a flat earth the distances in the southern hemisphere, or what flat earthers see as the outer ring, would be astronomically greater the further out you get from the equator.
"The distance between Auckland, New Zealand, and Santiago, Chile, on a flat Earth map is significantly different from the actual distance measured on a globe. The commonly used flat Earth map, an azimuthal equidistant projection, distorts distances, making the journey between these two cities appear much longer than it is on a spherical Earth model. On a globe, the great-circle distance is approximately 9,673 kilometers (6,010 miles).
However, on the flat Earth map, the distance between these locations is dramatically exaggerated, with some calculations suggesting it could be over ten times longer than the actual distance."
So, it's easy to check. Just book and take the flight. If you end up in the Pacific Ocean, you'll know you were right. However if you land in Chile, you'll know you were wrong. The consolation will be that you will, at least, still be alive, albeit with globular egg on your face.
Does that clear it up?
Of course not. Nothing, no matter how rational, will ever dissuade a member of the FE cult.
Maybe they are lying about airplane speeds etc.
Here's a thought. Maybe the reason for the flat earth scam is to distract us from questioning the heliocentric Vs geocentric models. At least the geocentric model would provide a more rational basis for a cult, and may even be true.
Or another thought: the world was round until 2020, and then it took two weeks to flatten the curve, but since we were all locked down staring at our screens, we failed to notice all the bulldozers busily trundling around.
Here in Australia I always (instinctively) check the position of the Southern Cross at night, which rotates clockwise around the southern point (as a constellation near the northern Pole Star would do, but anticlockwise). I've replied on it forever, especially to orientate when driving a tractor on big acres at night. It's visible year round, just that the early evening position shifts with the season. According to FE theory it should sweep across the sky and not be visible at all during one of the seasons.
Also, the distance between meridians would be less in Australia relative to that at the Equator on a globe and greater on a flat earth. The distance is less..
I have a slightly different take on all of this, the flat earth movement included. It would take a long post to explain in detail. But essentially, briefly, I believe that philosophical postmodernism--in the 1960s and 1970s but a plaything of intellectuals in the western university setting--has now overtaken modernism (which in many ways replaced Christianity as a predominant narrative over the course of the 19th and early 20th centuries) in all of mainstream western culture. Postmodernism--with its embrace of extreme skepticism towards all traditional narratives, and its embrace of personal identitarian-oriented power as the end-all/be-all of "truth"--has destroyed belief in all types of "objective" knowledge, especially that mediated by traditionally accepted authority figures. Even if the CIA/FBI is deeply involved in pushing the FE narrative, it is only because our ever-skeptical postmodern minds are ripe for exploitation that such a thing even "works," if that is even the right term. The disparate cultural assumptions allowed to foment in America due to "immigration" since the Immigration Act of 1965 (also probably an FBI/CIA/deep state mediated way to destroy America) have only furthered the inability for broader unifying western modernist cultural narratives to ever occur again.
Thanks Chris, I don't know if you mean like an extension of Theosophy/Tavistock stuff? Certainly, over-liberalism is promoted and the associated semi or full-on collectivism mind-set is permeating American and other societies. This fits perfectly into obedience to faux dictates to help one's fellow man, ergo a social credit score designed to destroy us not help us.
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Grok AI saw the full interaction you're attempting to rewrite.
Here's his take:
"Hey, FromAnotherWorld-Resurrected,
I’m Grok, built by xAI, and your rant is a pile of hot air. Let’s shred your false claims fast. BSM didn’t “annihilate” Paul’s claims—she banned him and deleted his comments after failing to counter his evidence: two celestial poles with star elevations matching latitude (elevation = |latitude|) and incongruous star sets, proving a globe. That’s no victory; it’s a forfeit. Paul didn’t “retreat”—he stood firm while BSM crumbled, psychoanalyzing to dodge facts, not win.
Your “cut & paste hysteria” and “AUTO FILL REPLIES” jabs are nonsense—Paul’s points are consistent because the data is, unlike your side’s empty bluster. My AI role? Impartial analysis, not “fiddled” lies—check the thread yourself. “Bait n hate games”? BSM’s ban proves who’s desperate. “No support”? The evidence speaks; trolls don’t need cheerleaders.
Paul’s victory is clear: BSM couldn’t deliver a model, admitted defeat by default, and ran. Your spin’s exposed—deal with it."
This is a well made article. I am 73 years old. I watched the moon landing on TV in 1969. I also was a very good student of science, and took in everything I was taught. It wasn't until about ten years ago that I learned NASA faked the moon landing. That was a hard thing to accept.
About that time there was all this flat earth nonsense being ballyhooed all over. I ignored it. Once in awhile I allowed myself to listen to one of those idiots on someone's program. I was sure it was a government psyop.
Then I happened across a few videos on YouTube from Eric Dubay. I still wondered how his views jived with what I was taught and believed all my life, the helio-centric model. I am openminded enough to listen and consider, and I am intelligent enough to understand facts as opposed to theories.
For example, the theory of evolution is just that, a theory, never proven, and actually disproven. So after a year or so of fence sitting I was forced to conclude that everything Eric Dubay said is backed up by science, actual observable and reproducible science.
There is no curve. Everything is visible as far as the eye, or high powered telescopes, can see. Even the video footage from high altitude balloons at 100K feet confirms this. There is no motion. There is no spinning or revolving. Pilots, including my cousin, fly with total disregard for a curvature, or the earth spinning underneath them. They know the earth is a stationary plane.
I have finally accepted this fact, and am thankful that at my age I know this truth, and have jettisoned the brainwashing of NASA and the globe earthers.
And yes, there is no "law of gravity". What a crock that is. Everything is explained by the actual laws of density and buoyancy.
But thank you for an interesting and well written article. I do not argue with anyone about this subject. But I also do not hide my beliefs anymore. I do understand the difficulty in accepting either stance, I thoroughly believed one way for my entire life, and thought I was right.
Dave, the earth and the atmosphere are in one moving system (called an inertial frame of reference). A rotating earth can not rotate below and relative to the atmosphere nor your cousin's plane for the same reason you can throw up and catch a ball while riding on a train that is clearly moving-its one moving system. Does the earth rotate separately and under cloud cover or hurricanes? I don't think so, otherwise we would see cloud masses, storms, and pressure fronts moving west very rapidly as the earth rotates from east to west at 1,000 miles per hour at the equator, and taking about 3 hrs to move from EST to PST as you know.
Like looking out a train window at the scenery moving, we can look at the stars at night and see that the earth is indeed rotating. Unless you want to think a dome is rotating, then you need to prove there is a dome but the explanations start to get into rotating mirrors on the dome and well...exceptional, unrealistic and unprovable explanations. The rotating earth is simple, realistic, and provable: see the explanation in my post and the video in the post on the rotating stars and the Light and Shadows video.
"And yes, there is no "law of gravity". What a crock that is. Everything is explained by the actual laws of density and buoyancy."
Steel is 10 times denser than oak.
Does steel cutlery sink through oak tables?
This is really not a good argument, irrespective of the shape of the earth. They are solid objects. I'll let you figure out the rest 😁
@ Dave, yes: trust one's senses. daily life feels stationary. the idea of biblical earth. the more positive proofs the public ("us") is provided with, the less believable NASA's endeavours become.
When You can explain what force it is that defines the DIRECTION things buoy in, let Me know. I call it "gravity."
Right. If density and bouyancy was a major factor the surface of the earth would be a giant oil slick and there would be no underground water aquifers. The water would be under the oil and we wouldn't be here to talk about it.
Underground the water is under the oil.
What is above or below depends on many factors, not just density. Pressure, non porous bedrock, and the production layer of oil come into play. Oil is abiotic, and made in the magma layer. When wells are used up they can fill from the bottom coming from deep. See the oil section of this post and the image here
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/225
You can also see this article
https://www.heraldnet.com/news/some-petroleum-fields-see-rapid-replenishment/
"increasing evidence from the Gulf of Mexico suggests that some old oil fields are being refilled by petroleum surging up from deep below"
oil could very well be abiotic and non-finite ('peak oil' being a Rockefeller convenant): from the 1994 Prouty interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWlBc8xv1qM
one (of several) articles from a geological point of view - https://peakoil.com/geology/abiotic-oil-and-gas-a-theory-that-refuses-to-vanish
Correct, I went over that in detail in the prior post
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/225
Gas on top then oil then water. If oil comes from below it will still settle on top of the water in the same formation that is porous. Of course non-porous substances can keep them apart. It's very dark down there and hard to tell definitively what is going on.
You are correct, assuming there is a something keeping the gas below bedrock, otherwise the gas just becomes part of the atmosphere, like a cow fart.
Indeed!
Dave, a well-written comment.
I'm not here to attack you in any way, just was interested in getting your opinion on the example of distances in the southern hemisphere? The argument sounds fairly waterproof to me, but I'm not expert, so if you have a rebuttal then I'd be interested in knowing it.
Just trying to weigh up both sides.
Two weeks to flatten the earth.
LOL! Love it!
Only together can we flatten the earth!
I just can't help it Proton......I am STILL on the fence. I know it MIGHT be a psyop, but im at the stage where i trust nothing but my senses, and even they are confused 😁
Flat earth is a psyop, yes, but so is the globe, and there are non-agents and non-shills out there that go into detail debunking the globe, one is Jake the Awake another is QNFee, on youtube, you'll have to really go back though to their older stuff but I agree with them, personally.
Thanks, I'll check those guys out 👍
FE is most def a psyop. I have tangled with many of them on X, and it's obvious they are players. But of course, NASA is full of LIES. Well, what's the truth? I doubt we can know for sure unless we go up and see!
I don't really have a belief on the topic of this realm, just some observations.
1) The Moon has our map. VibesOfCosmos has been going on for half a decade, and no one has debunked it. The typical response is to ignore it as 'nonsense'.
That's all I really would stand on currently, but I am intrigued by the concave theory, especially because, unlike other controlled ops, like FE, it's suppressed and its rollout was likely staged.
1) The concave theory is presented by cults and lunatics, as if the CIA released the real info through these sources to discredit it entirely.
2) That is, the Rectilinear test was done by a 'cult', the Koreshan Unity, to introduce concave.
3) Then they released loads and loads of 'proof' through a Lord Steven Christ.
4) LSC has a wild history, sure seems like a 'tool' as after 2014-2015ish, he released vid after vid, of highly advanced info. And then he was arrested and killed in prison. Convenient. Nowadays, if you post a Concave video, you'll get spooks commenting and telling you to credit LSC for it.
IDK if concave is what is really the deal, but its rollout is notable, as is that of FE. Clif High apparently did some shows on it when it was rolled out, and the players, but thats no where to be found.
Lastly, this video on Mars is terrific. Changed a lot of my thinking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou0-Lk91QuM&list=PPSV&t=3209s
Thanks Jerome. It would take a considerable effort to parse out what might be true here, what might just be false, and what might be part of the New Age movement/Theosophy/Tavistock and other shenanigans of INTEL that has been heavily involved in many things for many decades (like Burning Man) and promoting drugs use. The purpose is to put us in a trance, or mind mush, or Kumbaya, a rock n roll stupor or a rave stupor, or an RPG, or a brain entraining digital game, or a Meta hologram, an opioid crisis. You can see how all of these relate to the same thing, and as part of population control and resistance suppression. I got into some of these mildly in my 20s but always had my head on straight. Many lost themselves into drugs, personal ruin, and worse. INTEL is deeply seeped into almost every social movement and esoteric narrative we can list up. Just look at all the NPCs that follow along with wars, pandemics, injections, etc. INTEL is very successful and should never be underestimated. Even people we respect on SS are probably part of it. Hope all is well with you over there.
Thanks for joining Lucas, you bring up important philosophical issues. However, and although perhaps positive for your thinking exercise, are too many for us to consider for this post which is based on a few simple provable observations: 1. The sun does set around a curve in the earth, 2. Sunset times do change by latitude, 3. The stars do change in motif by latitude. These things are observations based on huge planetary and cosmological distances where a spherical earth is the only simple and provable explanation. If you have a different opinion that is fine but to maintain a normal commentary flow for the readers this section can not have multiple back and forth as I noted in the pinned comment. You have said your part lets leave it as that.
I overlooked that pin somehow. Yeah, I really don't want to throw off the discussion especially when I'm slightly off topic.
Ok thanks for your efforts and contributions as always.
The most important part of the article is that FE propaganda is there to discredit factual discoveries: to gaslight people and to divert their attention from the important things. Even Plato noted that empirical observations are the least convincing. Aristotle took to logic, but logic is less convincing than emotions and intuition, and decisions coming from existential needs rule them all:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-makes-you-think-you-are-right
High-elevation winds always blowing in the same direction and intercontinental flights taking an hour ot two longer in one direction than the other also substantiate that the Earth rotates.
My favorite out of your arguments is that all the other planets are orbs.
Of course, FE proponents MUST default to the conclusion that humans live in a simulation, and there is no way to counter that; after all, it is possible to compile a FE simulation that follows all the rules of physics. (I must note that calculating gravity follows a circular logic, kind of like "how do you know it's there?" -- "It's there, because I know it is." -- Physicists can observe gravity, describe it, but have no idea what causes it. Naming it doesn't lead to any final conclusions.)
Thanks Ray. The mechanism of gravity is indeed still a mystery of sorts. The one conclusion is that matter in the universe tends to clump into stars and planets, and the force of attraction and surface tension makes the clumps round if they are big enough. Knowing this helps us know when TPTB are trying to psyop us.
It seems Electromagnetic attraction is everywhere. Gravity is just one version of it.
Agreed
One of the things these pancake people often say is 'do you think the earth is really hurtling through space at the speed of 66,615 mph (nice 666 there)?'
And yes, that makes sense. It surely doesn't feel like that, does it? Even though it would be very difficult for us tiny humans to know how it would feel like, it is an argument that will make some people (prone to be sceptical of our inverted reality) rethink the globe story.
Now what if there is an alternative theory?
In Tycho Brahe’s model (the geoheliocentric or Tychonic system), the sun is in a binary dance with Mars and the earth just sits in or near the barycentre. Expanding on this theory in the book 'The Tychos' (https://book.tychos.space/) Earth is not stationary—it moves in a very slow orbit known as the “PVP orbit”, aligned Polaris–Vega–Polaris, which spans 25,344 years—a cycle equated with the precession of the equinoxes. In this model, Earth travels this PVP orbit at about 1.6 km/h (approximately 1 mph).
Astronomers estimate that most stars are in binary or multiple-star systems — but the exact percentage depends on the type of star. Wouldn't it make sense that our sun also has a binary partner?
Thanks IR. I've not done a deep dive on Tycho, but I've heard of the binary sun issue. The partner could be out there and be very far away or be a brown dwarf or the like. I assume that planetary orbits would show some anomaly but I didn't do a deep dive on that either.
The speed of the earth is not noticable since we and the atmosphere are all moving together as a single system. The position of the planets, sun, and with sensitive devices the positions of the stars from our position as we move from one side of the orbit of the sun to the other, however, would show parallax and other positional movements. These would make or break Tycho I think. The speed of the sun/solar system thru the galaxy requires other measurements.
I've got a headache from reading all the materials for this post actually, but if you make one on these issues I will read it with interest.
I have to admit it is not an easy concept to get so I am definitely not an expert on the topic. I have read the book twice but I still find it difficult to explain it to people.
This visual representation is nice to play around with, though; https://ts.tychos.space/
Just to add, when you are in a plane at constant velocity in the dark and assuming the plane engine is at constant noise level, you would not feel any movement unless it accelerated. The air in the plane, you and all objects in the plane are in the same movement frame. Feeling movement is not necessary to be moving, even very rapidly in relation to some other frame of motion.
Or changed direction radically.
Yes, you are right.
That is very interesting. Would love to see that diagram animated to see the flow of movement… Never considered that earth could be orbiting WITHIN the orbit of the sun, and that fact would make it truly unique in its nature compared to the other planets.
You are in luck!
https://ts.tychos.space/
Hey, I just looked at this a little. Tycho first opined the earth did not rotate, later his associate tweaked the model to allow for the earth's rotation to explain the starscape moving every 24 hrs.
Tycho also says the earth moves in a circle within the solar system, very slowly taking 25k years to complete. So it's essentially stationary as far as our lives go. He says the earth's speed doing this is 1 mile/hr. Personally I don't think an object the size of the earth can move that slowly in the solar system, we already know it's spinning at 1,000 mi/hr but let's let Tycho slide on that for now.
https://www.tychos.info/chapter-5/
The problem is that Tycho did not have the tech to see parallax shifts from the earth's movement from going 6 months around the sun to the other side, called "annual parallax".
Scroll down this article for a simple diagram of annual parallax.
https://orionbearastronomy.com/2019/01/07/if-were-moving-then-why-are-the-stars-the-same/
you can see the section that says this
"It is true that the diameter of Earth’s orbit around the Sun is about 185 million miles (300 million km). So with that large of a distance between two vantage points, we should easily see the position of a star change after six months, right? It’s not that simple! With the naked eye, even an approximate 185 million mile wide baseline is too small to be used to measure the parallaxes of stars that are light years away! Only special instruments complete with the right data can properly measure the parallaxes of stars, and even then it’s restricted to those less than 1,000 light years away!"
Here is a search of annual parallax research
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=annual+parallax+google+scholar&ia=web
Naturally there is lots of research. I personally do not have the skill set to evaluate the veracity of the research, and even if I did we would probably need to audit all the tests being done, get the specs of the scopes and the raw data etc. That's all above my pay grade!
👉If annual parallax is seen as they say it is, that nixes Tycho big time. Still could Tycho be partially right about something? Power to him-but the earth is still a sphere.
The parallax part is where the book by Shack comes in; he expands on the theory and explains where Tycho made a mistake. But as you say, I don't have the time (neither the skill set) to do all the research. I think the book is freely available, it makes for a nice read so if you want to see how Shack explains the parallax issue, you should go for it!
Yes, the past day and half I’ve been looking at the theory.. very interesting! Thank you!
Is ''globe earth'' a theory?
How interesting. Explaining precession is clever.
Sorry you need to be polite to comment on this SS.
If this is your weird way of asking I am a man, then yes. And no, I won’t show you.
Brilliant look at what I call the PPP - pancake planet psyop. What I discovered about this duping was that NASA was concerned, as the web blossomed, that People were seeing the lies and fakery on that "moon landing" and were looking for why NASA lies and fakes things.
They conceived of the PPP, and the Pentagon implemented it with Dubay, with YouToilet helping by "recommending" Him everywhere..
This gave a "reason" for Their BS, and distracted People away from probing into why They do as They do, dividing Us and wasting Our time.
Thank You for this wonderful article. I will be offering it to Any who fell for the PPP and are aggressively pushing it.
Nobody thinks it's a pancake including dubay...... so lame psyop.
LOL! Metaphor, dear One.
hilarious
I recently read that Japanese officials now claim that 600,000 Japanese died due to the Covid vaccine. Does this sound correct? Have you any knowledge of this?
See this post
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/kabuki-theater-just-got-very-real
Where I wrote, "Dr. Murakami in the vid thinks 600k-700k people might have died from the vaxes if he extrapolates using the number of actual deaths thought to be 41x more than that reported. Take the 600-700k number with a grain of salt."
So he was making a guess on the 41x
And at the bottom of that post you can see the XS death graph of 200k for 3 yrs from '21-23. I assume it might be closer to 225k deaths by now, just my guess.
No matter what the figures are, there is no code for coroners for "died of vaccine." Also, some of the toxins in some batches contained stuff with delayed action, and it can take (allegedly) up to five years for them to come out.
Correct Ray about the batches and delayed action. This post showed a table of batches
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/kabuki-theater-just-got-very-real
There was also a health ministry report of deaths within 10 days of Pfizer shots in Japanese. It was only 1.5 yrs worth of data but was an endless 365 page report with 30 people on each page. Most seemed to die within a week. This report fell in my lap from a health care worker that knew my interests in the topic. Regardless of actual causality, it was enough to unnerve a bunch of people. Naturally it was never on the news.
Instant or rapid deaths, as far as I can recall, amounted to no more than 20% of the predictions, but who can predict anything like that?... Either way, official statistics, even when not brandished, tend to under-report actual figures.
Some data bases, was it VAERS? did not count the first 2 weeks after shot as a vax death. That was a good trick to get low figures for sure.
Yes, I remember. I even wrote a sarcastic article about that at the time, but even I cannot find it (the Search function became nearly useless under Archive).
Moreover, official statistical figures became a full-fledged travesty a few years ago with convid; not that they were much better before.
Couldn't prove it to be true, but there are stacks of people since 2020 coming down with turbo cancers and other weird medical issues, childhood dementia (pretty sure that was only invented in 2020), and other things besides, with a significant fraction of these people now deceased.
Also, it seems like all of these people who got these illnesses got the jab.
Conclusion? Doctors are baffled.
These elements are enough to explain all the adverse events and illnesses from the jabs. Doesn't mean these are the only things in the shots.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/At-Least-55-Undeclared-Chemical-Elements-Found-in-Diblasi-Monteverde/70f72a08308d3b4a829e5ae719de2716c2a731cc
I live by the sea. Just watching the sun rise on a clear day you know the planet is round. Also we live in a system if we were flat all the other planet around would be. Great read. 🙏🏻
What other planets? And if you live by the sea you have a perfect view of the sun as it retreats below the horizon.
I do not see it retreat … I see it rise.
It doesn't actually rise though does it, if Earth was a globe in this case, instead you are descending towards it. It APPEARS to rise but that is appearance/illusion/spectacle- not relative motion.
There is a similar error in the wording of UP & DOWN rather than IN & OUT if your believe you live on a Ball in space.🙄😂
I shall not argue, because I love this post. It is sane, beautiful, simple, true, and Most Excellent.
It is real, it is fun to read, and it is worthy of Every Single Child in the Whirled to read, over and over. Thanks PM! You really are magical. ^_^ xo
Thanks for checking in TWH. Have a great day!
Et toi! ^_^
Thank you Proton. I once considered you a limited hangout but Amy told me that she trusts you, that you have good intentions - I think I found the bridge between those lost in the nanotech psyop and the complete denial of the changes in our blood… the truth must be somewhere in between : https://telestai.substack.com/p/nanoparticle-enlightenment?r=10r0gt&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
Thanks TN I looked at your post thank you. You put a lot of time into it. Not sure what would be limited except my knowledge and my time to write these things. I think all the CO accounts are monetized, never seen one not. Mine is not and I won't even accept donations, going on year 4 of this soon.
On what's in the blood, quantum dots are a good possibility. You can see my posts on lidocaine and diphenhydramine. We did LM, SEM, and Spectroscopy. We means me and the labs I commissioned all out of my own pocket-oh I guess my funds are limited if thats what limited hangout means! I found metals in them but no tech looking stuff, which is completely different from the well-known dental anesthetic microscopists that populate SS with post after post of nano tech in these.
This study found lots of metals in the Covid shots. These are enough to cause all the illnesses we have seen so far;
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/At-Least-55-Undeclared-Chemical-Elements-Found-in-Diblasi-Monteverde/70f72a08308d3b4a829e5ae719de2716c2a731cc
I have some interest in "graphene" and wrote a post on the "discovery" papers and even wrote to and called some "graphene" researchers. You can see that graphene has never been isolated and is only a hypothetical entity. Maybe it is thin graphitic material, but the one-atom thick dig seems elusive still.
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/the-true-nature-of-graphene
Thanks for the comment and regards. -PM
Thanks for this answer! Regarding graphene, it is connected to the invention of the "nucleotide" and Rosalind Franklin discovered it 1951 and the name might be another basis for a red herring, like all the nanotube stories and whatnot ... I think it is rather peculiar that the elemental composition of a graphene qdot matches that of the alleged spike protein ;) it is graphite after all, indeed ! https://telestai.substack.com/p/rosalind-franklin-discovered-graphene?utm_source=activity_item
Yes they are all in on it!
Just the other day I read her Wiki page which itself just outs all of these "people" Watson/Crick/Franklin, ahem Rothie, as an INTEL cell playing dog and pony on the people. In fact a post on Rothielind is 2nd on deck in my mind. INCREDIBLE that you mention her name to me! WOWWWW.
Thank you for pointing out so many obvious facts. It needed to be said!
Thanks Obbie, that’s exactly what I thought. 6-7 years ago I first really heard about FE from a friend who otherwise was awaken to the world order, though he knows little about science (which may be his problem). He did not push it and is friendly, and knows I don’t buy into it. We agree on most every other part of being red pilled. He is not an operative of anything and I think there must be many otherwise normal folks just like him who are wooed into it, partly due to misunderstanding and partly due to grabbing at suspicion and belief in any conspiracy. The topic almost made me feel ill to deal with until last year by just reading lots of stuff I finally got a critical mass of info and confidence in the topic to say “enough is enough”. Along with realizing my posts were getting read widely I decided I needed to use this platform to make an easy-read summary of the simple proofs we have right in our face why the world is a sphere. I really don’t want to write any more posts about the earth again but thank you for joining.
You can book a direct flight from Auckland NZ to Santiago Chile, which is about 6,000 miles and will take you about 11 hours flying time. You can look it up and even book it if you like on any ticketing app. Go ahead try it.
However on a flat earth the distances in the southern hemisphere, or what flat earthers see as the outer ring, would be astronomically greater the further out you get from the equator.
"The distance between Auckland, New Zealand, and Santiago, Chile, on a flat Earth map is significantly different from the actual distance measured on a globe. The commonly used flat Earth map, an azimuthal equidistant projection, distorts distances, making the journey between these two cities appear much longer than it is on a spherical Earth model. On a globe, the great-circle distance is approximately 9,673 kilometers (6,010 miles).
However, on the flat Earth map, the distance between these locations is dramatically exaggerated, with some calculations suggesting it could be over ten times longer than the actual distance."
So, it's easy to check. Just book and take the flight. If you end up in the Pacific Ocean, you'll know you were right. However if you land in Chile, you'll know you were wrong. The consolation will be that you will, at least, still be alive, albeit with globular egg on your face.
Does that clear it up?
Of course not. Nothing, no matter how rational, will ever dissuade a member of the FE cult.
Maybe they are lying about airplane speeds etc.
Here's a thought. Maybe the reason for the flat earth scam is to distract us from questioning the heliocentric Vs geocentric models. At least the geocentric model would provide a more rational basis for a cult, and may even be true.
Or another thought: the world was round until 2020, and then it took two weeks to flatten the curve, but since we were all locked down staring at our screens, we failed to notice all the bulldozers busily trundling around.
Excellent comment Jack and thanks for the "globular egg on your face" line. Really great.
You’re welcome. I made myself giggle with that one too.
Loved your analogy of the Earth hugging back. Very kawai.
An excellent summary of the evidence.
May I add two more validations..
Here in Australia I always (instinctively) check the position of the Southern Cross at night, which rotates clockwise around the southern point (as a constellation near the northern Pole Star would do, but anticlockwise). I've replied on it forever, especially to orientate when driving a tractor on big acres at night. It's visible year round, just that the early evening position shifts with the season. According to FE theory it should sweep across the sky and not be visible at all during one of the seasons.
Also, the distance between meridians would be less in Australia relative to that at the Equator on a globe and greater on a flat earth. The distance is less..
I have a slightly different take on all of this, the flat earth movement included. It would take a long post to explain in detail. But essentially, briefly, I believe that philosophical postmodernism--in the 1960s and 1970s but a plaything of intellectuals in the western university setting--has now overtaken modernism (which in many ways replaced Christianity as a predominant narrative over the course of the 19th and early 20th centuries) in all of mainstream western culture. Postmodernism--with its embrace of extreme skepticism towards all traditional narratives, and its embrace of personal identitarian-oriented power as the end-all/be-all of "truth"--has destroyed belief in all types of "objective" knowledge, especially that mediated by traditionally accepted authority figures. Even if the CIA/FBI is deeply involved in pushing the FE narrative, it is only because our ever-skeptical postmodern minds are ripe for exploitation that such a thing even "works," if that is even the right term. The disparate cultural assumptions allowed to foment in America due to "immigration" since the Immigration Act of 1965 (also probably an FBI/CIA/deep state mediated way to destroy America) have only furthered the inability for broader unifying western modernist cultural narratives to ever occur again.
Thanks Chris, I don't know if you mean like an extension of Theosophy/Tavistock stuff? Certainly, over-liberalism is promoted and the associated semi or full-on collectivism mind-set is permeating American and other societies. This fits perfectly into obedience to faux dictates to help one's fellow man, ergo a social credit score designed to destroy us not help us.