I don't understand why the 'no virus' crowd can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea of computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released to promote a later need for a Franken-many pathogen-corona-chimeric spike mRNA jab/Trojan Horse for self-assembling nano-chips.
Jennifer Depew, R.D. "I don't understand why the 'no virus' crowd can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea of computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released..."
You would need to prove a string of letters called a genome was obtained from an original particle by Sanger or other direct sequencing after purified isolation and characterization. Do you have proof in the methods of a paper proving any prior adeno or corona, or any current chimera virus or exosome that you say was "released"?
For a string of letters output by computer called a genome you you first need to have proven a seq was obtained from a very similar and prior fully purified, isolated, and characterized particle. That has never been done for any virus. For Corona, it’s another case of label worship:
NOT ONE OF THE SEVEN SUPPOSED HUMAN CORONAVIRUS HAS BEEN ISOLATED
None of the seven "human coronaviruses" have actually been isolated and all the sequences of the primers of their respective PCRs as well as those of a large number of fragments of their supposed genomes are found in different areas of the human genome and in genomes of bacteria and a long list of others.
Coronavirus 229E.
Reference article: Dorothy Hamre and John Procknow. A new virus isolated from the human respiratory Tract. Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, 121: 1: 190-193. January 1, 1966. Since the authors refer to other articles to explain the method of isolation - which they call Complement Fixation - we consulted a reference article for that method: that of Janet W. Hartley et al. Complement Fixation and tissue culture assay for mouse leukaemia viruses PNAS, 53(5): 931-938, May 1965. This is a procedure already in disuse that uses the antigen-antibody reaction to detect either one or the other. In the case we are dealing with, the aim was to detect the antigens of the supposed new virus but, as we have already explained, specific antibodies are needed which cannot be obtained the first time a virus is detected.
Coronavirus OC43.
Reference article: Paul Lee. Molecular epidemiology of human coronavirus OC43 in Hong Kong. Thesis for the Department of Microbiology, University of Hong Kong, August 2007. The HKU Scholars Hub. What was considered to be viral RNA was extracted from cultures without any proof that the RNA belongs to a virus. The tool used - a QIAamp kit - removes reagents, inhibitors and contaminants but what it cannot do is determine where the extracted RNA comes from. And there are no controls. It is then amplified by PCR and sequenced assuming (!) that it is genetic information of a virus. Finally, the author speculates about mutations, recombinations, genotypes, molecular evolution, strains and other jargon that conveys the idea -unproven- that a "virus" is being worked with.
SARS-CoV Coronavirus.
Reference article: J. S. M. Peiris and others. Coronavirus as a possible cause of SARS. Lancet 361: 1319-25, April 2003. There is no mention of purification in the article. There is not even any mention of filtration or centrifugation. It is only stated that "the viruses were isolated in fetal monkey liver cells from nasopharyngeal aspirates and lung biopsies of two patients". There are no controls. The only mention is of a "cytopathic effect" that is attributed to a virus and that PCR was done for known viruses and retroviruses without obtaining results. Finally, RT-PCR was done with "random initiators" and a sequence "of unknown origin" is detected to which "a weak homology with the coronaviridiae family" is found. Then they designed primers for that sequence and when testing 44 samples from SARS patients only 22 were positive.
Coronavirus NL63.
Reference article: Lia van der Hock and others. Identification of a new human coronavirus. Nature Medicine, 10, 4 April 2004. The authors state that "the identification of unknown pathogens using molecular biology tools is difficult because the target sequence is not known so that PCR-specific initiators cannot be designed".
What they used is a tool they developed themselves called VIDISCA which, they claim, does not require prior knowledge of the sequence! first the culture is prepared and it is assumed that a virus is present due to the evidence of "cytopathic effect". The novelty introduced by this method is that "restriction enzymes" are added, enzymes that cut the nucleic acid molecules at certain locations and always by the same length. In this way, if after the action of these enzymes they observe many fragments of DNA or RNA that are the same or very similar, they deduce that it comes from a virus, since the host genome would present random cuts, while the virus genome presents a large number of copies that are the same due to the replication of the virus. This assumption (which adds to the previous assumption that there is a virus) does not take into account that there are "virus-like particles", "retrovirus-like particles", "endogenous retroviruses", "exosomes", "extracellular" particles and even mitochondrial DNA. In denial, there are a multitude of particles that possess the same reproductive characteristics in large quantities as "viruses" and therefore can falsify results by producing large numbers of identical copies when cut by enzymes as recognised in an article on the VIDISCA technique entitled Enhanced bioinformatic proSling of VIDISCA libraries for virus detection and Discovery. It was published in volume 263 of Virus Research on April 2, 2019, and its authors-Cormac M. Kinsella et al.-recognise that "no redundancy is expected in the VIDISCA insert from the host background nucleic acid except in the case of 'virus-like' characteristics, i.e., high copy numbers as in mitochondrial DNA.
Coronavirus HKU1.
Reference article: Patrick C. Y. Woo and others. Characterisation and Complete Genome Sequence of a Novel Coronavirus, Coronavirus HKU1, from Patients with Pneumonia. Journal of Virology, 79, 2, January 2005. The article, incredibly, begins with these words: "Despite extensive research in patients with respiratory tract infections, no microbiological cause has been identified in a significant proportion of patients. RNA is extracted from non-purified cultures.” And a PCR with coronavirus genes is used. For the sequencing they use two protein databases organised in families, domains and functional sites -PFAM and INterProScan- combined with two computer programs that carry out "predictions" on how nucleotides should be combined. The text adds: "The sequences were manually assembled and edited to produce a final sequence of the viral genome". And once again there are no controls.
MERS-CoV Coronavirus.
Reference article: Ali Moh Zaki and others. Isolation of a Novel Coronavirus from a Man with Pneumonia in Saudi Arabia. The New England Journal of Medicine, 367:19, November 2012.
The genetic material is extracted directly from the culture supernatant and sputum sample with a tool called High Puré Viral Nucleic Acid Kit and then tested with different PCRs for various known microorganisms. There is no mention of purification and there are no controls. The so-called "cytopathic effect" is actually an effect caused by the conditions of the culture itself. This is recognised for example in the article Antibiotic-induced release of small extracellular vesicles (exosomes) with surface-associated DNA. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5557920/pdf/41598_2017_Article_8392.pdf explains that certain substances -such as antibiotics- added to in vitro experiments can stress the cell cultures so that they generate new sequences that had not been previously detected. This had already been noticed by none other than Dr. Barbara McClintock in 1983 during her Nobel Prize lecture, as can be seen at https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/mcclintocklecture.
Sars-COv2 (we've been over this one many times.....)
Fan Wu, Nature 2.2020, hypothetical genome from one patient with no controls fabricated by a software program and put. No particle ever found. Other researchers, Ping Zu, Na Zu, etc. all uncontrolled and unpurified/unisolated cell cultures and/or PCR tests that led back to the fabricated genome made by Fan Wu.
My comment was not about proving virus theory is correct or that an adenovirus was used or other specifics, more that it is synthesized by man, and US not just Wuhan scientists.
Something exists which can spread between people and the jab version of illness is worse than the initial version. Something exists though with a a pattern of typical symptoms.
Whatever the scientists call it is less important than what it does to people and fertility.
Something exists and it has a long patent trail for various pathogenic bits of it. And it can slowly or quickly damage people. And it seems to lead to self assembly of nanotech.
I don't like being sick so I look for information about what is happening, what does this (unknown elephant) look like? What are its effects on physiology? What else might it be? <5G> <glyphosate> <fear response from media manipulation causing chronic stress and gut dysbiosis>
Spending so much time looking at what something isn't means you aren't looking at what it is.
Something exists and it is killing fetuses. I take that personally as a prenatal specialist.
I pointed exactly at your comment which was, "computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released"
👉Why you are not satisfied with my explanation that there is no such found Franken anything is beyond this little proton as I sent you multiple references showing no corona has ever been found.
👉Patents are stories and no spike protein or fragment has been found in shots. I've replied about that many times before, why don't you show us a preclinical pharmacology study of mRNA to spike or chem analyt report of spike? Patents will brainwash you.
Now you are bringing up a different topic about getting sick. A the bottom of this post I put a non-exhaustive list of causes of what made people sick
Better you read my posts rather than make statements like "you aren't looking at what it is."
1. Relabeling other illnesses as Covid (the main "cause" of Covid), see #2 above. In Places with high pollution like Wuhan and Lombardi, where they relabeled yearly winter peak high number of respiratory illnesses as Covid.
2. In hospital drug and ventilator toxicity, see # 4 above, and use of sedatives in nursing homes that impaired respiration.
3. Lockdown which isolated many frail persons from their medical and interpersonal supports causing worsening illness and “harvesting” (mortality displacement).
4. 5g: Temporally and locally associated with Covid-19 cases, and in this paper, and symptoms said to be C-19 closely overlaps with EMF effects on biology, and see this informative chart from the Bioinitiative group that has tons of info.
See “YOU'RE AMBUSHED!” by Proton Magic for more info.
5. New Vaxes in 2019 in specific places: Wuhan (with nanotech), Italy (in animal cells), and from 2019, Flu vaxes with nanoparticles.
6. Masks: fibers, disinfectants, bacteria build up, some with graphene nano particles.
8. EMFs from smart phones, smart wrist watches, smart cars, smart meters, smart insecticides hiding in Starbucks coffee, and dumb people made people sick.
9. Vaping that exposes persons to arsenic, chromium, nickel, and lead. The vaping liquid comes into direct contact with the coil which contains metals that go straight into the lungs.
👉Now This is an unmonetized SS I make in my free time and I'm running out of time to reply to multiple intensive topics.
My Substack is also not monetized and you wasted your own time. My comment was based on the fact that you seem to be part of the no-virus crowd, I was not asking for a debate on that topic. My question was - why can't the no virus crowd believe that computer generated gene sequences are being produced and that can be called anything, stuck onto any other gene sequences and can be patented.
Your first comment "computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released" is suggesting adeno and corona as viral or as an exosome like chimera, your own words, however you have no paper finding such viral or exosome chimera particle, and there is no paper finding particle with any genomes stuck on to other genomes, and multiple commenters have told you patents are meaningless as proofs of actual objects.
You have given us multiple comments with your opinions which is fine but you are now chasing me around the comments, bordering on derisive, and this is the 2nd time I'm asking you to stop. Please see the rules of comment engagement in the about section, because I will delete further comments and/or ban you from this SS.
"...chasing person(s) with multiple comments, etc., will likely be deleted and the commenter may be banned from commenting on this substack".
Do you actually think that sequences assembled in a computer (basically creating synthetic viral life in silico) can then be released into the world to cause illness? First off, that makes no sense except in a Hollywood movie. As for patents, I can apply for a patent for anything I can think up and write a story about what it could do. I might even get a patent granted, but that does not mean the thing is even doable and especially doesn't mean it was ever brought to fruition. You need to show proof of the thing...the patent does not prove anything. why can't you wrap your mind around that?
David Martin is an explosive but suave con man through and through. Most that make it as far as he has are very good at what they do and far too many are none the wiser.
Why hypothesize something so complex, when a simple chemical weapon would better explain the patterns and characteristics of the 50k deaths in the NYC mass casualty event of spring 2020. And maybe subsequent death waves elsewhere in 2020 as well.
Yeah everyone has their pet theories., but never any mortality data to back it up. Except me--I've looked at it a bit, the ages of the people who died in the death peaks, where they died, and what their deaths were attributed to. Data is here if anyone is interested. https://www.virginiastoner.com/writing/category/Death+waves+%26+peaks
noting the possibilities of what made people sick with some refs incl 5g and 2019 flu shots. I only had Rancourt's mortality data that stopped too short and just havn't gotten around to update it to yours apologies. But it's not a simple death or not zero sum game, mild illness from relabeling or pcr swab tox or 5g was WHAT LED people to get shots and/or into the hospitals AKA killing fields.
you're the one with a pet theory, i'm afraid. you have no idea who and how they died (or at all) in NYC (and it's 50k now? huh?) death certificates and names are not available to anyone.
Apparently you haven't read much of my work. I simply document the contents of the official mortality database--which I'm surmising you've never looked at. Any hypotheses I have about cause (chemical weapon seeming the most likely IMO) are based on the demographics and characteristics of the deaths per that data.
Hi Proton ,thank you for another excellent article.
I wonder if you can give me some advice. I am a big admirer of Team Bailey and I often tell my family that viruses do not exist and have never been seen isolated. Plus my daughter should not have her child vaccinated. I am losing the argument with my family. The immediate push back I get is " Ahh but Google says viruses exist and have been isolated " . I then go through how a virologist actually " isolates a virus " . So far so good. Then the next thing my family say is " why do you ,Suzanne ,think that you know more than all of these scientists who are working to help us combat disease? . The scientists have degrees and have been working in their subjects for years. You on the other hand listen to quacks like The Baileys and Proton etc. "
At this point I get angry and ask why my sources have to be demonised and called names. Also that I am 100% correct.
So ,as I say if is at this point that I struggle to assert my point of view . The other problem I have is my family will not read any of the excellent books i have purchased. I also show them graphs proving that hunan health Improved due to indoor plumbing and refrigeration. Good housing conditions . Good food. No child labour. I am told " but can you prove these graphs are true ?"
This is unfortunately common. Sometimes some people will understand they did not get a list of shot ingredients and known side effects, so they didnt get informed consent, or death stats from 2021 on https://www.bitchute.com/video/3YQozON6gNLi/
but still people are stubbborn.
You can print out the FOI from your country or a few of these and hand them out, still that probably wont work, and you'll just have to wait until they see people sick and dying at high rates, but still people wont wake up and you just have to take care of yourself.
Thank you Proton for you kind comments and for providing the helpful links. I would like to know people in person who think the same way as we all do on your feed. But these people are sadly lacking in my little Northern village in England.
I can relate, sadly. What I will say is that I've found that there are a few more like-minded people in my area than I thought, although I have to find this out accidentally. It seems a lot of people simply don't want to talk about it for various reasons, so it's usually brought up hesitantly or in a very 'round about way to test the waters with the other person before opening up. While it seems the whole world has gone bonkers and lost all thinking and reasoning ability, I think there are more of us than we realize, it's just that the others are more in your face types, by design it seems. It is still heartbreaking to have loved ones choose to remain uninformed and making harmful decisions when we try so hard to help them see. Living the truth and being the truth is about the best we can do.
This is offtopic. Just to mention that I have been paying attention to effects from d3k2 drops since our discussion. I concluded that the benefits I felt were placebo. So thanks for making me focus on it!
I assure you, Suzanne, you are not the only person to get the "Why do you, Suzanne, think that you know more than all of these scientists who are working to help us combat disease"?
The good old Appeal to Authority argument - selective authority though.
I hear you. It must be a trial to see your grandchildren get the jabs.
It hadn't happened just yet re my grandchild. But I am so scared about it. I have told my daughter about all of the ingredients . Formaldehyde, Mercury, aborted fetus tissue etc. But she just says " I don't want my child to die from measles "
Thank you very much for your support and understanding , Petra. 😘
From this site: http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/Vaccines.html you can enjoy various graphs and references about illnesses and vaccines showing drastic decrease in illness deaths incl measles in the many decades before vaxes were introduced,
I listened to June Raine on one of these committees this week very anxious to get the MMR Jabs up. I don't know how old you are, whether you had measles, mumps, rubella or chicken pox as a kid. I have had all bar rubella, which I dutifully got the jab before getting pregnant. Being ill with these illnesses wasn't life threatening, a bit like a cold, itchy spots, worst one mumps with the swollen glands and painful to swallow, but all being just a few days discomfort. Kids don't die from these illnesses. I wonder why she thinks they might? Maybe let her know how you or others fared and lived to tell the tale?
You are right kids dont die from these mild illnesses. I was told that I had measles , mumps and chicken pox . But maybe I just had a simple rash. My poor daughter has been frightened by the main stream media , GPs and Nurses. It is just a form of brain washing.
In 1964, when I was about 1 year old, I had symptoms of what is known as measles and I’m still here to tell the tale.
I’ve never actually met anyone in my 61 years that had a family member or friend die of measles. Or knew of any one else who had.
I can imagine when the jabs came out for measles there was a big push for them. People in white coats proclaiming you’ll die if you don’t get jabbed. We poor humble humans are easily led by “authority figures”
Since they clearly rely on BIg Tech for their information, you might start by telling them who Google are; how they got their seed funding; and how they maintain tight control of all the narratives...
Good idea 💡 👏 I need to try everything that I can. Unfortunately reprogramming people is so difficult. 😕
I used to believe our governments and also in vaccines. Once I read the book "Dissolving Illusions " I educated myself and am sceptical of everything now.
I can hardly look back to a time that I thought men had landed on the moon. Or vaccines are good
Unfortunately, most of the time these questions elicit the same glassy eyed denial that the other, obvious to us, questions do. Once indoctrinated, many people choose to continue to believe the drilled in narrative, refusing to look at the facts of the media, the medical curriculum, the falsified "scientific" papers, funding, and the like. I guess it's a combination of security, ego, and completely losing the ground you thought your feet were firmly planted on.
Thanks, I found my daily laugh at that video of her climbing the truth ladder without success. She fooled me at the beginning of all this but its getting more obvious now who's who for who.
My brain starts to fail when it gets too scientific but I knew Dolly was controlled opposition when she was supposedly deriding masks and saying that we could all refuse to wear them, breezily citing her experience of spending four hours detained in Dublin airport due to insisting on going maskless. Yeah, right and as if anyone's going to be encouraged to be brave by that kind of airport nightmare. I went maskless on a plane simply by claiming I was allergic (silently adding "to bullshit").
Well, true about the cloning claim. Science has never been able to create life, only destroy it. I actually don't remember any of the details of the claim so I can't really say much about it. I always find it interesting about the meaning of names because I never considered that when naming any of my children, and neither did my parents. If we like the name that's what we chose. Maybe other cultures are much more into that.
Another excellent piece. Indeed, so many of the "doctors" are playing controlled op. And yes... Money is always involved in what They spout. (Thus My work to solve for the problems created by that tool by removing the need for it...)
I have two articles on the twin towers of Rockefeller lies - viruses and contagion...
One has just gotta smile. Repairing to the seminal literature quickly shows the circular, uncontrolled, 'double-double toil and trouble' methodological game is up, and the fix is in. The arcane 'processes' including CPE have now been elevated to the 'magic' of in silico sequencing and "metagenomics."
Returning to the seminal literature reminds us of the eminently questionable foundational nonsense in play. For example: the seminal article that named the "coronavirus," Almeida, JD. & Tyrrell, DAJ. gen. Virol. (1967), 1, 175-178, or for further entertainment, Burtonboy G et al. Archives of Virology 61, 1 - 11 (1979) seminal paper describing canine hemorrhagic enteritis (parvovirus). For even greater amusement try the seminal paper describing, 'A virus obtained from influenza patients', Smith, W. Andrewes, CH. Laidlaw, PP. The Lancet July 8, (1933).
The sole purpose (as has been stated by many others) was the habituation of the global populace to shots. Once in place, the continued point blank discharge of needled barrel with dire, and unpredictably lethal and sickening consequences appears their goal. In the end, most will cotton on to the idea that standing in line for the next shot is not commensurate with a long, healthy life.
Not bragging, but I saw the original videos and news items in late 2019 about CV-19 in China. I almost laughed out loud.
Remember that one with the random dude on a side street "caught on iPhone video from an apartment balcony" who "passed out from Covid-19"? I was, like, hey, when people are standing and they lose consciousness, they don't fall forward and then break their fall with outstretched arms; they kinda crumple Also, there were a couple of people in the background walking by. Who the fuck would not see a legitimate scene and ignore it? (which is exactly what happened). Total green-screen crap, complete with the lowest quality video ever. Then I said to myself, in my own science-y language: "Come the fuck on! This is a cheaply staged Hollywood production to push some kind of viral pandemic BS."
NO ONE LISTENED TO ME. Until my husband had to deal with the fake-demic protocol at the forensic psych facility he worked at (as a music therapist), then he woke up real fucking fast.
-Have you ever been love struck, had the world go silent and disappear, have pain melt away, been unable to think or speak all at once? (If not, well, sad. Very sad.)
-Do you have erogenous reactions to remote images and/or inanimate objects?
- Have audible vibrations, aka words, ever made you flip out, lose control of your body physically and emotionally?
-Did you lose your baby teeth? Did other children your age around you lose them at the same time?
- Ever just burst out crying or laughing from your own thoughts?
Obviously, none of the above are caused by invisible boogeymen, aka viruses. But if they could get away with it, you know Pharma would try to market a drug to treat any one of them. Oh, wait. SSRI's.
If you haven't noticed, any illness that the cause of has not yet been identified (or known but not revealed, or admitted) is blamed on a virus and all other possible causes, such as exposure to toxins, or shedding/exchange of cellular messengers or pheromones, are excluded from consideration and investigation.
Practicing medicine is akin to practicing magic. As is doctoring and deceiving and fooling. "Don't look behind the curtain. Just take this magic pill".
Thanks to the internet we can now see behind the curtain. And we're finding out most of those pills are not magic. They're poison.
But illness is not always blamed on virus. Hypertension and Type 2 diabetes involves magnesium deficiency but it isn't called magnesium deficiency or treated for that.
Sometimes it involves magnesium deficiency, along with other factors, and sometimes it has nothing to do with magnesium. Hypertension is not always, or even often, actually a problem to be solved by deducing it to a deficiency of a mineral, same with diabetes and all other so called diseases.
False and true. Yes most conditions are multifactorial but the role of magnesium deficiency in high blood pressure or insulin resistance is pretty consistently present but not treated adequately.
Why do the no-virus folks not believe that most "science" is fraudulent if they believe all of virology is fraudulent? Newsflash, most of Western healthcare is fraudulent or based on old false info which makes anything based on it in error.
The problem with seeing magnesium deficiency is multi-factorial in itself. That's another long issue I could address. Once again, all too often the horse is put before the cart, effects are deemed as cause. The presence of a factor, according to some test, does not make it the cause of a current condition or symptom. Magnesium, as all minerals, does appear to be important to health, however, once again assumptions are made that the ingestion of magnesium in a certain form is what the body requires. All of the other factors are being ignored and a condition is reduced to a specific substance.
I don't know any no-virus folks that believe much if any of "science" is accurate or independently and scientifically performed and reported on. Do you?
That's not a newsflash. Most of us know, and certainly the "no-virus" people do, that Western healthcare, or sick care, is fraudulent. How do you think they got this far? However, much of the "old" info happens to be correct, depending on where you are looking and what you call "old". Did your nutrition degree come from ancient Eastern traditional health practices?
Nobody likes being labeled do they? ;-) The Virology is Fake Science Folks? better?
Magnesium in a nutshell -
To have adequate or plentiful magnesium we need adequate protein and phospholipids to make ATP and other protein transport.
To have adequate ATP also needs methylation cycle function but that is a larger topic.
To be able to absorb magnesium from the gut, you need to not have a stressed out gut or other gut issues, not have genetic differences in magnesium ion TRP channels, to not have excess calcium or phytic acid or other issues.
Many people with chronic inflammation likely need a topical source, Epsom salt if not sulfate sensitive or magnesium chloride flakes in a bath or foot soak is my recommendation, about every 4 days, variable with individual need.
Typical lab tests are erroneous for showing chronic magnesium deficiency and only show really acute magnesium deficiency. Intracellular magnesium level from a red blood cell is more accurate but not ordered typically.
Many drugs and conditions that are related to magnesium insufficiency are in common use instead of proper screening and treatment.
Labels don't bother me one bit and I'm not sure why you assumed they did? I don't think they bother the real honest ones that continue with their efforts, either. That's a bit shallow and assuming. Maybe projection?
I know all about magnesium, but thanks.
Most of what you are stating is based on Western medicine, their tests and assumptions, faulty genetic claims, and other faulty "science", which you stated previously was fraudulent. You go from stating one lab test is erroneous to stating that another, however, is more accurate. More accurate. Do you really know all you need to know about red blood cells and minerals and how they are actually used in and by the body's many organs and functions? Or are you basing that on Western medicine, regardless of how holistic you might think it is?
Again, your schooling has limited, (apparently), your progress in understanding both the physical and the non physical body we inhabit.
"And then there is the psychological effect of the Big Lie which is axiomatic in gaslighting. The paradox here is that the bigger the lie, the harder it is for the mind to bridge the gulf between perceived reality and the lie that authority figures are painting as truth. I believe that the prospect of being deceived evinces a primitive emotional response on a par with staring death in the face. We are hard-wired to fear deception because we have evolved to interpret it as an existential threat. That’s why deception can elicit the same emotional response as the miscalculation of a serious physical threat. Lies told to us don’t always bear the same cost as a misjudged red light, but the primitive part of the brain can’t make this distinction and we rely on cerebral mediation for a more appropriate but delayed response. And in the long run, the lie is often just as dangerous as the physical threat. Many government whoppers – ‘safe and effective’ – do cost lives.
To avoid the death-like experience of being deceived, a mental defence is erected to deny that the lie is happening."
I concur, this no virus info was presented to these 2 at least 4 years ago, they ignored it with their other two geneticist mates, Northrup and the other one , no investigation or follow up, they've made a lot of money though from the truther community, not good.
To use his name in vain, and bear false witness........ no mercy.
Prove it. Lol. Since ya can’t see it you will just have to trust me. Are you feeling my love? Pre poison of oneself allows these biofields to manifest. See proved it right there. I have over 100 degrees and walk around in a lab coat. Right? Must be true.
S/, lighten the Fuk up and ignore these grandstanders and focus on the killers bearing down on us. Again it invisible to even a top shelf microscope. Got nano detector? Ha, see we all are alive but enjoying cog dis like all good…
Just provoking thoughts.
Time wasters with egos from being educated distracting us.
Totally get it!! Just hoping to get my hands on a written take down that dissects his bogus methods. Battling with the virus crew is time consuming 😀 but worth the effort!! As you well know!!
If there is no Franken by what method can you make Frankenstein? Baric's methods are all just a story. His papers using a theoretical virus story IS THE TAKE DOWN
I get what you say but check out Toms latest QnA from about minute 41. He dismantles Baric Mickey Mouse work and how Fan Wu paper is tied to it in extra layer of fraud. Its a 10 minute section and might be food for the Proton Magic to weave its special craft.
PM, I just found this paper by analytical chemist, Saeed Qureshi, whose work I've seen before but when his old website was updated all the links to his papers became invalid. I now just happened on this paper on a different website which is still a shocking mess but I think what he says seems valid. If I understand him correctly:
The initial step is not to aim for isolation (which doesn't rely on cause and effect) but to see if there is an effect so using sputum samples in the first instance to determine if there is an effect is an appropriate approach. If there is no effect then attempting isolation (which is the work of chemists) is a redundant step. So I guess what he's saying the argument should be is that no evidence of a virus has been shown following cause and effect experimentation rather than no virus has been isolated.
#1. Illness with a virus (illness doesn’t require a pathogen), and #2. Exist (no one says-or should say-a virus has been shown not to exist) with not-found (this is what is true).
He says
#1: To them, nowhere has it been shown that the so-called virus has its effect (illness or infection). To them, this means the virus has not been isolated.
👉No-virus says a particle fitting the definition of a virus has not been found. He's making a no sense confusion.
#2 Doctors' group cannot support their claim that the virus does not exist, using the "Scientific Method”
👉No one is claiming it doesn't exist, only not found, and until found and shown to cause disease, no public health measures or shots should be introduced.
I don’t know if he intentionally writes this nonsense paper for propaganda confusion tactics, or he is just a nit-wit, but it does lead to people distancing from "no-virus to fear" and to take shots. I suggest you ignore him and go on your day doing better things, like read past Proton Magic posts 😁
So this is my understanding from what he says and at this point it doesn't matter if I've misunderstood him or what I still think it's a reasonable point:
No one should even be thinking about isolating what might be a cause until an effect is shown to occur at a more macro level so if it is thought that a cause of illness may exist in people's sputum then sputum samples of a few people showing the same signs of illness should be tested against the sputum samples of well people to see if there is a difference. If nothing emerges from testing the sputum samples then there is no justification to try to isolate what you think might be causal particles from the sputum samples if experiments done with the sputum yield no results.
I guess ultimately what I'm saying is that there is no proof of isolation of a virus but nor is there any proof that sickness is caused by anything at all in sputum ... or whatever bodily fluids are used for testing. And I'm wondering if all the focus on "isolation" isn't a bit of a distraction?
1. If EMFs (and many other things) cause illness how will we find that in a sample? What tests should we do to tell the difference between sputums and what will that tell us to do, say if someone has high WBCs? There may be some tests but those won't tell all possibilities will they? They fixed my window frames the other day using epoxy and I felt sick for a few days, mostly headache, dizzyness, and some uncomfortable throat. What will my spit show? What will a brain test show? Some people could not smell the epoxy and still felt sick, some not get sick. Will we try to isolate a virus because I felt sick epoxy or not? I don't think so, because colds are common, a virus has never been found for them, and they are thought to be self cleansing from build up of nasty stuff.
2. IF TPTB say there is a respiratory virus and want to implement policies, including a test like pcr to decide to inject you or quarantine you or shut down society, then we need to see if/what virus they found in respiratory fluids. Or if you have a pos HIV test and are told to take meds, in the 80s AZT, now ARVs. You certainly want to prove there is a particle that causes disease and that a test actually tests for it.
1 and 2 may seem related but are completely different circumstances and investigations.
1. What tests should we do? No idea but whatever tests, the results should show something different in the sputums of the sick people against the sputums of the well people.
Honestly, I'm clueless, PM, and I just confuse myself more when I try to think about it. Perhaps I should just "get back in my box" as suggested to me yesterday by Dr Ken Lambert on Facebook :)
There's nothing to do for cold symptoms (any flu test are meaningless), and strep tests may find strep but doesn't mean they caused or you need treatment. Eat well, live well and away from chemicals, pollution, vaxes, meds, and schmutz, get sleep and keep in touch!
Hello！Hilarious take down of 2 bufoons!! Stefan Scoglio said on Transition TV that he's gonna put out a PDF in English on how the mRNA in the toxic jabs is not and cannot make our cells produce spike protein. Do you have that PDF or have any resource countering the whole shedding nonsense./ our cells become spike protein factories? It would be greatly appreciated.
Hi, there is no proof or disproof of shedding that I have. Shedding is a fuzzy topic very difficult to study: how many interactions, how close, what kind, who had how many shots, how long after what # shot, what batch and content did they get, difference by location, country, placebo, nocebo, EMF level during test, recently before tests...some of these are impossible to control.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was unable to provide any record of the alleged SARS-COV-2 spike protein being found in anyone and purified (as opposed to “recombinant” “spike protein” being created in a lab and then studied, as though that reflects something going on in actual people); and so they responded as though this was another FOI regarding the fake virus, and provided the same useless paragraphs that they’ve been giving people for the past year or so:
HUGE THANKS!! THOSE LINKS ARE GOLD!! STEFFAN in the Transition TV interview said he's gonna put together a PDF with bibliography debunking the spike protein narrative. If you ever get please lemme know. HUGE THANKS again for links. Greatly appreciated !!
Hello, I got this comment “Regardless of whether mRNA transcription is a fiction or not, apparently a supposed lipid nanoparticle enveloped mRNA injection product can be injected into a muscle and travel throughout the body via either the lymph to the blood, or directly via the blood and then be deposited in various organs, including the brain and the fetus? However, if the LNP is not able to cross cell membranes, how doe it cross the blood brain barrier, as we know it does; and, how does it cross the placenta, as we know it does; and, how does it get into the cells of various organs, as we know it does?“ Any feedback much appreciated.
the LNP was tagged not mRNA. How does it get thru? Choices, 1. It can cross cell membranes, 2. There are no full membranes, 3. The BBB etc isn't what we are told it is. 4. The LNP isn't an LNP, what is "it" if anything then? A psyop?
Honestly I dont have the answer but I ASSUME it DOES go places regardless of rhyme or reason. Sorry, I fooled you into thinking I know more than I really do 🙂
Excellent answer, especially about cell membranes and the BBB. I agree and I don't know why more don't question, that the LNP, and all of the other components we've been led to believe are what they claim, can do what they claim, have been clearly identified and tracked as claimed, and that any results seen of any kind are from any of these claimed components and substances. All psyop I say, just like GMO and all things genetic. 2+2 just never equals 4 in the realm of science and medicine. Of course, anything injected is going to go somewhere and do something, if only to get the body to dispose of it.
He is said to do virus GOF, what virus particle that was found does he do GOF on? Since there is no such paper finding a virus it is to distract the narrative to where you still need a shot. Get it?
Hello, Huge Thanks for getting back. Am reading the link now. Greatly appreciated! I've been in a back n forth with one of Meryl's readers. He asked a good question today. Basically, if Scoglio is right about the LNPs remaining in tact then how does that explain its distribution to key organs if its unable to cross the BBB, placenta membrane etc. I don't have the answer. Huge thanks ,again!!
I don't understand why the 'no virus' crowd can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea of computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released to promote a later need for a Franken-many pathogen-corona-chimeric spike mRNA jab/Trojan Horse for self-assembling nano-chips.
Jennifer Depew, R.D. "I don't understand why the 'no virus' crowd can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea of computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released..."
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You would need to prove a string of letters called a genome was obtained from an original particle by Sanger or other direct sequencing after purified isolation and characterization. Do you have proof in the methods of a paper proving any prior adeno or corona, or any current chimera virus or exosome that you say was "released"?
For a string of letters output by computer called a genome you you first need to have proven a seq was obtained from a very similar and prior fully purified, isolated, and characterized particle. That has never been done for any virus. For Corona, it’s another case of label worship:
NOT ONE OF THE SEVEN SUPPOSED HUMAN CORONAVIRUS HAS BEEN ISOLATED
Copied and redacted from: https://pastebin.com/PsXCQmGZ
None of the seven "human coronaviruses" have actually been isolated and all the sequences of the primers of their respective PCRs as well as those of a large number of fragments of their supposed genomes are found in different areas of the human genome and in genomes of bacteria and a long list of others.
Coronavirus 229E.
Reference article: Dorothy Hamre and John Procknow. A new virus isolated from the human respiratory Tract. Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, 121: 1: 190-193. January 1, 1966. Since the authors refer to other articles to explain the method of isolation - which they call Complement Fixation - we consulted a reference article for that method: that of Janet W. Hartley et al. Complement Fixation and tissue culture assay for mouse leukaemia viruses PNAS, 53(5): 931-938, May 1965. This is a procedure already in disuse that uses the antigen-antibody reaction to detect either one or the other. In the case we are dealing with, the aim was to detect the antigens of the supposed new virus but, as we have already explained, specific antibodies are needed which cannot be obtained the first time a virus is detected.
Coronavirus OC43.
Reference article: Paul Lee. Molecular epidemiology of human coronavirus OC43 in Hong Kong. Thesis for the Department of Microbiology, University of Hong Kong, August 2007. The HKU Scholars Hub. What was considered to be viral RNA was extracted from cultures without any proof that the RNA belongs to a virus. The tool used - a QIAamp kit - removes reagents, inhibitors and contaminants but what it cannot do is determine where the extracted RNA comes from. And there are no controls. It is then amplified by PCR and sequenced assuming (!) that it is genetic information of a virus. Finally, the author speculates about mutations, recombinations, genotypes, molecular evolution, strains and other jargon that conveys the idea -unproven- that a "virus" is being worked with.
SARS-CoV Coronavirus.
Reference article: J. S. M. Peiris and others. Coronavirus as a possible cause of SARS. Lancet 361: 1319-25, April 2003. There is no mention of purification in the article. There is not even any mention of filtration or centrifugation. It is only stated that "the viruses were isolated in fetal monkey liver cells from nasopharyngeal aspirates and lung biopsies of two patients". There are no controls. The only mention is of a "cytopathic effect" that is attributed to a virus and that PCR was done for known viruses and retroviruses without obtaining results. Finally, RT-PCR was done with "random initiators" and a sequence "of unknown origin" is detected to which "a weak homology with the coronaviridiae family" is found. Then they designed primers for that sequence and when testing 44 samples from SARS patients only 22 were positive.
Coronavirus NL63.
Reference article: Lia van der Hock and others. Identification of a new human coronavirus. Nature Medicine, 10, 4 April 2004. The authors state that "the identification of unknown pathogens using molecular biology tools is difficult because the target sequence is not known so that PCR-specific initiators cannot be designed".
What they used is a tool they developed themselves called VIDISCA which, they claim, does not require prior knowledge of the sequence! first the culture is prepared and it is assumed that a virus is present due to the evidence of "cytopathic effect". The novelty introduced by this method is that "restriction enzymes" are added, enzymes that cut the nucleic acid molecules at certain locations and always by the same length. In this way, if after the action of these enzymes they observe many fragments of DNA or RNA that are the same or very similar, they deduce that it comes from a virus, since the host genome would present random cuts, while the virus genome presents a large number of copies that are the same due to the replication of the virus. This assumption (which adds to the previous assumption that there is a virus) does not take into account that there are "virus-like particles", "retrovirus-like particles", "endogenous retroviruses", "exosomes", "extracellular" particles and even mitochondrial DNA. In denial, there are a multitude of particles that possess the same reproductive characteristics in large quantities as "viruses" and therefore can falsify results by producing large numbers of identical copies when cut by enzymes as recognised in an article on the VIDISCA technique entitled Enhanced bioinformatic proSling of VIDISCA libraries for virus detection and Discovery. It was published in volume 263 of Virus Research on April 2, 2019, and its authors-Cormac M. Kinsella et al.-recognise that "no redundancy is expected in the VIDISCA insert from the host background nucleic acid except in the case of 'virus-like' characteristics, i.e., high copy numbers as in mitochondrial DNA.
Coronavirus HKU1.
Reference article: Patrick C. Y. Woo and others. Characterisation and Complete Genome Sequence of a Novel Coronavirus, Coronavirus HKU1, from Patients with Pneumonia. Journal of Virology, 79, 2, January 2005. The article, incredibly, begins with these words: "Despite extensive research in patients with respiratory tract infections, no microbiological cause has been identified in a significant proportion of patients. RNA is extracted from non-purified cultures.” And a PCR with coronavirus genes is used. For the sequencing they use two protein databases organised in families, domains and functional sites -PFAM and INterProScan- combined with two computer programs that carry out "predictions" on how nucleotides should be combined. The text adds: "The sequences were manually assembled and edited to produce a final sequence of the viral genome". And once again there are no controls.
MERS-CoV Coronavirus.
Reference article: Ali Moh Zaki and others. Isolation of a Novel Coronavirus from a Man with Pneumonia in Saudi Arabia. The New England Journal of Medicine, 367:19, November 2012.
The genetic material is extracted directly from the culture supernatant and sputum sample with a tool called High Puré Viral Nucleic Acid Kit and then tested with different PCRs for various known microorganisms. There is no mention of purification and there are no controls. The so-called "cytopathic effect" is actually an effect caused by the conditions of the culture itself. This is recognised for example in the article Antibiotic-induced release of small extracellular vesicles (exosomes) with surface-associated DNA. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5557920/pdf/41598_2017_Article_8392.pdf explains that certain substances -such as antibiotics- added to in vitro experiments can stress the cell cultures so that they generate new sequences that had not been previously detected. This had already been noticed by none other than Dr. Barbara McClintock in 1983 during her Nobel Prize lecture, as can be seen at https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/mcclintocklecture.
Sars-COv2 (we've been over this one many times.....)
Fan Wu, Nature 2.2020, hypothetical genome from one patient with no controls fabricated by a software program and put. No particle ever found. Other researchers, Ping Zu, Na Zu, etc. all uncontrolled and unpurified/unisolated cell cultures and/or PCR tests that led back to the fabricated genome made by Fan Wu.
I've pinned your comment because it forces important info to the fore in my reply which I hope makes sense to you.
She's stuck in Spike-land still. Waiting for her to switch....been months now
You seem to be missing my point - I don't care what it is called, something, with a long patent trail revealed by David Martin, exists and it makes tadpoles sick. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352748037_Toxicological_insights_of_Spike_fragments_SARS-CoV-2_by_exposure_environment_A_threat_to_aquatic_health
My comment was not about proving virus theory is correct or that an adenovirus was used or other specifics, more that it is synthesized by man, and US not just Wuhan scientists.
Something exists which can spread between people and the jab version of illness is worse than the initial version. Something exists though with a a pattern of typical symptoms.
Whatever the scientists call it is less important than what it does to people and fertility.
Something exists and it has a long patent trail for various pathogenic bits of it. And it can slowly or quickly damage people. And it seems to lead to self assembly of nanotech.
I don't like being sick so I look for information about what is happening, what does this (unknown elephant) look like? What are its effects on physiology? What else might it be? <5G> <glyphosate> <fear response from media manipulation causing chronic stress and gut dysbiosis>
Spending so much time looking at what something isn't means you aren't looking at what it is.
Something exists and it is killing fetuses. I take that personally as a prenatal specialist.
I pointed exactly at your comment which was, "computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released"
👉Why you are not satisfied with my explanation that there is no such found Franken anything is beyond this little proton as I sent you multiple references showing no corona has ever been found.
👉Patents are stories and no spike protein or fragment has been found in shots. I've replied about that many times before, why don't you show us a preclinical pharmacology study of mRNA to spike or chem analyt report of spike? Patents will brainwash you.
Now you are bringing up a different topic about getting sick. A the bottom of this post I put a non-exhaustive list of causes of what made people sick
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/the-most-entertaining-government
Better you read my posts rather than make statements like "you aren't looking at what it is."
1. Relabeling other illnesses as Covid (the main "cause" of Covid), see #2 above. In Places with high pollution like Wuhan and Lombardi, where they relabeled yearly winter peak high number of respiratory illnesses as Covid.
2. In hospital drug and ventilator toxicity, see # 4 above, and use of sedatives in nursing homes that impaired respiration.
3. Lockdown which isolated many frail persons from their medical and interpersonal supports causing worsening illness and “harvesting” (mortality displacement).
4. 5g: Temporally and locally associated with Covid-19 cases, and in this paper, and symptoms said to be C-19 closely overlaps with EMF effects on biology, and see this informative chart from the Bioinitiative group that has tons of info.
See “YOU'RE AMBUSHED!” by Proton Magic for more info.
5. New Vaxes in 2019 in specific places: Wuhan (with nanotech), Italy (in animal cells), and from 2019, Flu vaxes with nanoparticles.
6. Masks: fibers, disinfectants, bacteria build up, some with graphene nano particles.
7. PCR swabs: fibers, disinfectants, possibly nano particles.
8. EMFs from smart phones, smart wrist watches, smart cars, smart meters, smart insecticides hiding in Starbucks coffee, and dumb people made people sick.
9. Vaping that exposes persons to arsenic, chromium, nickel, and lead. The vaping liquid comes into direct contact with the coil which contains metals that go straight into the lungs.
👉Now This is an unmonetized SS I make in my free time and I'm running out of time to reply to multiple intensive topics.
My Substack is also not monetized and you wasted your own time. My comment was based on the fact that you seem to be part of the no-virus crowd, I was not asking for a debate on that topic. My question was - why can't the no virus crowd believe that computer generated gene sequences are being produced and that can be called anything, stuck onto any other gene sequences and can be patented.
https://phys.org/news/2020-02-physically-computer-generated-artificial-genomes-dna.html
Please do not respond with another lengthy educational effort. You seem to not be aware of my multifactorial approach to illness and recovery.
Peace be with you.
Your first comment "computer synthesized gene sequences being stuck together in Franken-adeno-corona-viral or exosome like chimeras that were released" is suggesting adeno and corona as viral or as an exosome like chimera, your own words, however you have no paper finding such viral or exosome chimera particle, and there is no paper finding particle with any genomes stuck on to other genomes, and multiple commenters have told you patents are meaningless as proofs of actual objects.
You have given us multiple comments with your opinions which is fine but you are now chasing me around the comments, bordering on derisive, and this is the 2nd time I'm asking you to stop. Please see the rules of comment engagement in the about section, because I will delete further comments and/or ban you from this SS.
"...chasing person(s) with multiple comments, etc., will likely be deleted and the commenter may be banned from commenting on this substack".
Do you actually think that sequences assembled in a computer (basically creating synthetic viral life in silico) can then be released into the world to cause illness? First off, that makes no sense except in a Hollywood movie. As for patents, I can apply for a patent for anything I can think up and write a story about what it could do. I might even get a patent granted, but that does not mean the thing is even doable and especially doesn't mean it was ever brought to fruition. You need to show proof of the thing...the patent does not prove anything. why can't you wrap your mind around that?
David Martin is a nobody.
Patents mean nothing.
Toxins make living things have symptoms.
A pattern of typical symptoms? That you think is specific to one cause?
Spread between people? Or people being in the same toxic environment?
Have a close look at Martin's company MCAM's logo.
David Martin is an explosive but suave con man through and through. Most that make it as far as he has are very good at what they do and far too many are none the wiser.
Why hypothesize something so complex, when a simple chemical weapon would better explain the patterns and characteristics of the 50k deaths in the NYC mass casualty event of spring 2020. And maybe subsequent death waves elsewhere in 2020 as well.
PCR swabs and some masks had bad chemicals in them yes.
Yeah everyone has their pet theories., but never any mortality data to back it up. Except me--I've looked at it a bit, the ages of the people who died in the death peaks, where they died, and what their deaths were attributed to. Data is here if anyone is interested. https://www.virginiastoner.com/writing/category/Death+waves+%26+peaks
Yes, I've bookmarked all your great posts. What I mean is these are possibilities, not a specific theory. I made this post
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/the-most-entertaining-government
noting the possibilities of what made people sick with some refs incl 5g and 2019 flu shots. I only had Rancourt's mortality data that stopped too short and just havn't gotten around to update it to yours apologies. But it's not a simple death or not zero sum game, mild illness from relabeling or pcr swab tox or 5g was WHAT LED people to get shots and/or into the hospitals AKA killing fields.
you're the one with a pet theory, i'm afraid. you have no idea who and how they died (or at all) in NYC (and it's 50k now? huh?) death certificates and names are not available to anyone.
Apparently you haven't read much of my work. I simply document the contents of the official mortality database--which I'm surmising you've never looked at. Any hypotheses I have about cause (chemical weapon seeming the most likely IMO) are based on the demographics and characteristics of the deaths per that data.
again, you have no proof of 1) anyone's death 2) chemical "weapons".
So you're disputing the official data, but you don't know what the data is that you're disputing? Gotcha.
....5G rollout
Add vent and sedate and Remdesivir death protocols and no virus (or exosome) is needed. Just anxiety induced by CNN.
Hi Proton ,thank you for another excellent article.
I wonder if you can give me some advice. I am a big admirer of Team Bailey and I often tell my family that viruses do not exist and have never been seen isolated. Plus my daughter should not have her child vaccinated. I am losing the argument with my family. The immediate push back I get is " Ahh but Google says viruses exist and have been isolated " . I then go through how a virologist actually " isolates a virus " . So far so good. Then the next thing my family say is " why do you ,Suzanne ,think that you know more than all of these scientists who are working to help us combat disease? . The scientists have degrees and have been working in their subjects for years. You on the other hand listen to quacks like The Baileys and Proton etc. "
At this point I get angry and ask why my sources have to be demonised and called names. Also that I am 100% correct.
So ,as I say if is at this point that I struggle to assert my point of view . The other problem I have is my family will not read any of the excellent books i have purchased. I also show them graphs proving that hunan health Improved due to indoor plumbing and refrigeration. Good housing conditions . Good food. No child labour. I am told " but can you prove these graphs are true ?"
My family are exasperating!!!
This is unfortunately common. Sometimes some people will understand they did not get a list of shot ingredients and known side effects, so they didnt get informed consent, or death stats from 2021 on https://www.bitchute.com/video/3YQozON6gNLi/
but still people are stubbborn.
You can print out the FOI from your country or a few of these and hand them out, still that probably wont work, and you'll just have to wait until they see people sick and dying at high rates, but still people wont wake up and you just have to take care of yourself.
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/fois-in-a-nutshell
Try to surround yourself with people who are on the same page as you are.
Thank you Proton for you kind comments and for providing the helpful links. I would like to know people in person who think the same way as we all do on your feed. But these people are sadly lacking in my little Northern village in England.
I can relate, sadly. What I will say is that I've found that there are a few more like-minded people in my area than I thought, although I have to find this out accidentally. It seems a lot of people simply don't want to talk about it for various reasons, so it's usually brought up hesitantly or in a very 'round about way to test the waters with the other person before opening up. While it seems the whole world has gone bonkers and lost all thinking and reasoning ability, I think there are more of us than we realize, it's just that the others are more in your face types, by design it seems. It is still heartbreaking to have loved ones choose to remain uninformed and making harmful decisions when we try so hard to help them see. Living the truth and being the truth is about the best we can do.
Hey Countrybumpkin.
This is offtopic. Just to mention that I have been paying attention to effects from d3k2 drops since our discussion. I concluded that the benefits I felt were placebo. So thanks for making me focus on it!
Namaste ;)
I assure you, Suzanne, you are not the only person to get the "Why do you, Suzanne, think that you know more than all of these scientists who are working to help us combat disease"?
The good old Appeal to Authority argument - selective authority though.
I hear you. It must be a trial to see your grandchildren get the jabs.
It hadn't happened just yet re my grandchild. But I am so scared about it. I have told my daughter about all of the ingredients . Formaldehyde, Mercury, aborted fetus tissue etc. But she just says " I don't want my child to die from measles "
Thank you very much for your support and understanding , Petra. 😘
From this site: http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/Vaccines.html you can enjoy various graphs and references about illnesses and vaccines showing drastic decrease in illness deaths incl measles in the many decades before vaxes were introduced,
Thank you ,this is a brilliant article. 👏
I listened to June Raine on one of these committees this week very anxious to get the MMR Jabs up. I don't know how old you are, whether you had measles, mumps, rubella or chicken pox as a kid. I have had all bar rubella, which I dutifully got the jab before getting pregnant. Being ill with these illnesses wasn't life threatening, a bit like a cold, itchy spots, worst one mumps with the swollen glands and painful to swallow, but all being just a few days discomfort. Kids don't die from these illnesses. I wonder why she thinks they might? Maybe let her know how you or others fared and lived to tell the tale?
You are right kids dont die from these mild illnesses. I was told that I had measles , mumps and chicken pox . But maybe I just had a simple rash. My poor daughter has been frightened by the main stream media , GPs and Nurses. It is just a form of brain washing.
In 1964, when I was about 1 year old, I had symptoms of what is known as measles and I’m still here to tell the tale.
I’ve never actually met anyone in my 61 years that had a family member or friend die of measles. Or knew of any one else who had.
I can imagine when the jabs came out for measles there was a big push for them. People in white coats proclaiming you’ll die if you don’t get jabbed. We poor humble humans are easily led by “authority figures”
Correct! the vital stats are on p 14 of the pdf, 30 of the doc
https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/1960/compendia/hist_stats_colonial-1957/hist_stats_colonial-1957-chB.pdf
Yup! But it's much worse as these jabs are meant to cause health problems to keep pHarma doleing out more meds to treat side effects of jabs.
It is evil .
Since they clearly rely on BIg Tech for their information, you might start by telling them who Google are; how they got their seed funding; and how they maintain tight control of all the narratives...
Good idea 💡 👏 I need to try everything that I can. Unfortunately reprogramming people is so difficult. 😕
I used to believe our governments and also in vaccines. Once I read the book "Dissolving Illusions " I educated myself and am sceptical of everything now.
I can hardly look back to a time that I thought men had landed on the moon. Or vaccines are good
Doctors only prescribe medicines that work.
Q's for them.
What is in-q-tel?
Who owns 90% of All Media? (Billionaires)
Who Established the Medical Boards in the USA, Funds the Grants for Research, Writes the Medical Books?
What is the Wellcome Trust, Chatham House, City of london?
What is a False Paradigm?
Summary: Billionaires do not care about regular people. They like Profit, Resources, Control.
Unfortunately, most of the time these questions elicit the same glassy eyed denial that the other, obvious to us, questions do. Once indoctrinated, many people choose to continue to believe the drilled in narrative, refusing to look at the facts of the media, the medical curriculum, the falsified "scientific" papers, funding, and the like. I guess it's a combination of security, ego, and completely losing the ground you thought your feet were firmly planted on.
It is the "agent Smith effect" of the matrix.
People will defend their indoctrinated delusional state without realizing what they are defending.
yes, I like my rug under my feet. Don't Pull it!
We all have our work cut out for us. As long as we keep chipping away . Hopefully more people will wake up !
It’s very hard for people to admit that they’ve been duped…
As Mark Twain supposedly stated, "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled".
Thanks, I found my daily laugh at that video of her climbing the truth ladder without success. She fooled me at the beginning of all this but its getting more obvious now who's who for who.
Great work, PM.
My brain starts to fail when it gets too scientific but I knew Dolly was controlled opposition when she was supposedly deriding masks and saying that we could all refuse to wear them, breezily citing her experience of spending four hours detained in Dublin airport due to insisting on going maskless. Yeah, right and as if anyone's going to be encouraged to be brave by that kind of airport nightmare. I went maskless on a plane simply by claiming I was allergic (silently adding "to bullshit").
Ah, I didn't know Dolly was the nickname for Dolores, she's a Dolly alright!
Neither did I! It just came to me when i wrote the comment and I'm not sure it is officially but as you say ...
Yes, you’re right!
I live in Spain where Dolores is a very popular name (it means sorrows or pain) and most of them shorten their name to Dolly…
Wasn't the first cloned sheep named Dolly? How appropriate.
Yes, actually that came to mind after I posted my comment ... and then I wondered - did they really clone a sheep?
Interestingly, Dolly Parton's birth name was actually Dolly.
Well, true about the cloning claim. Science has never been able to create life, only destroy it. I actually don't remember any of the details of the claim so I can't really say much about it. I always find it interesting about the meaning of names because I never considered that when naming any of my children, and neither did my parents. If we like the name that's what we chose. Maybe other cultures are much more into that.
Another excellent piece. Indeed, so many of the "doctors" are playing controlled op. And yes... Money is always involved in what They spout. (Thus My work to solve for the problems created by that tool by removing the need for it...)
I have two articles on the twin towers of Rockefeller lies - viruses and contagion...
I Am Not Anti-vax; I Am Anti-virus! (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/i-am-not-anti-vax-i-am-anti-virus
A Post to Be Viral (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/a-post-to-be-viral
One has just gotta smile. Repairing to the seminal literature quickly shows the circular, uncontrolled, 'double-double toil and trouble' methodological game is up, and the fix is in. The arcane 'processes' including CPE have now been elevated to the 'magic' of in silico sequencing and "metagenomics."
Returning to the seminal literature reminds us of the eminently questionable foundational nonsense in play. For example: the seminal article that named the "coronavirus," Almeida, JD. & Tyrrell, DAJ. gen. Virol. (1967), 1, 175-178, or for further entertainment, Burtonboy G et al. Archives of Virology 61, 1 - 11 (1979) seminal paper describing canine hemorrhagic enteritis (parvovirus). For even greater amusement try the seminal paper describing, 'A virus obtained from influenza patients', Smith, W. Andrewes, CH. Laidlaw, PP. The Lancet July 8, (1933).
The sole purpose (as has been stated by many others) was the habituation of the global populace to shots. Once in place, the continued point blank discharge of needled barrel with dire, and unpredictably lethal and sickening consequences appears their goal. In the end, most will cotton on to the idea that standing in line for the next shot is not commensurate with a long, healthy life.
Correct! I also read the Spanish Flu case of the "viral" genome gotten from the Alaskan woman dug up from the tundra, that one was a dooozy.
Kudos for the awesome sense of humor.
What do you think about Ana Mihalcea's work, if I may ask?
She now shares Karen Kingston's spooky moolah and to me that says how R.Malone is somewhere near as well.
There is so much fearmongering via "invisible enemies" that it is all hella suspicios to me. Makes me want to dismiss most of it!
Yes they all work to brain wash the masses in the same propaganda group.
Not bragging, but I saw the original videos and news items in late 2019 about CV-19 in China. I almost laughed out loud.
Remember that one with the random dude on a side street "caught on iPhone video from an apartment balcony" who "passed out from Covid-19"? I was, like, hey, when people are standing and they lose consciousness, they don't fall forward and then break their fall with outstretched arms; they kinda crumple Also, there were a couple of people in the background walking by. Who the fuck would not see a legitimate scene and ignore it? (which is exactly what happened). Total green-screen crap, complete with the lowest quality video ever. Then I said to myself, in my own science-y language: "Come the fuck on! This is a cheaply staged Hollywood production to push some kind of viral pandemic BS."
NO ONE LISTENED TO ME. Until my husband had to deal with the fake-demic protocol at the forensic psych facility he worked at (as a music therapist), then he woke up real fucking fast.
Yawn....
-Have you ever been love struck, had the world go silent and disappear, have pain melt away, been unable to think or speak all at once? (If not, well, sad. Very sad.)
-Do you have erogenous reactions to remote images and/or inanimate objects?
- Have audible vibrations, aka words, ever made you flip out, lose control of your body physically and emotionally?
-Did you lose your baby teeth? Did other children your age around you lose them at the same time?
- Ever just burst out crying or laughing from your own thoughts?
Obviously, none of the above are caused by invisible boogeymen, aka viruses. But if they could get away with it, you know Pharma would try to market a drug to treat any one of them. Oh, wait. SSRI's.
If you haven't noticed, any illness that the cause of has not yet been identified (or known but not revealed, or admitted) is blamed on a virus and all other possible causes, such as exposure to toxins, or shedding/exchange of cellular messengers or pheromones, are excluded from consideration and investigation.
Practicing medicine is akin to practicing magic. As is doctoring and deceiving and fooling. "Don't look behind the curtain. Just take this magic pill".
Thanks to the internet we can now see behind the curtain. And we're finding out most of those pills are not magic. They're poison.
Yes.
But illness is not always blamed on virus. Hypertension and Type 2 diabetes involves magnesium deficiency but it isn't called magnesium deficiency or treated for that.
I quoted your comment https://open.substack.com/pub/denutrients/p/movies-and-magic-and-meds?r=os7nw&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Sometimes it involves magnesium deficiency, along with other factors, and sometimes it has nothing to do with magnesium. Hypertension is not always, or even often, actually a problem to be solved by deducing it to a deficiency of a mineral, same with diabetes and all other so called diseases.
False and true. Yes most conditions are multifactorial but the role of magnesium deficiency in high blood pressure or insulin resistance is pretty consistently present but not treated adequately.
Why do the no-virus folks not believe that most "science" is fraudulent if they believe all of virology is fraudulent? Newsflash, most of Western healthcare is fraudulent or based on old false info which makes anything based on it in error.
The problem with seeing magnesium deficiency is multi-factorial in itself. That's another long issue I could address. Once again, all too often the horse is put before the cart, effects are deemed as cause. The presence of a factor, according to some test, does not make it the cause of a current condition or symptom. Magnesium, as all minerals, does appear to be important to health, however, once again assumptions are made that the ingestion of magnesium in a certain form is what the body requires. All of the other factors are being ignored and a condition is reduced to a specific substance.
I don't know any no-virus folks that believe much if any of "science" is accurate or independently and scientifically performed and reported on. Do you?
That's not a newsflash. Most of us know, and certainly the "no-virus" people do, that Western healthcare, or sick care, is fraudulent. How do you think they got this far? However, much of the "old" info happens to be correct, depending on where you are looking and what you call "old". Did your nutrition degree come from ancient Eastern traditional health practices?
Nobody likes being labeled do they? ;-) The Virology is Fake Science Folks? better?
Magnesium in a nutshell -
To have adequate or plentiful magnesium we need adequate protein and phospholipids to make ATP and other protein transport.
To have adequate ATP also needs methylation cycle function but that is a larger topic.
To be able to absorb magnesium from the gut, you need to not have a stressed out gut or other gut issues, not have genetic differences in magnesium ion TRP channels, to not have excess calcium or phytic acid or other issues.
Many people with chronic inflammation likely need a topical source, Epsom salt if not sulfate sensitive or magnesium chloride flakes in a bath or foot soak is my recommendation, about every 4 days, variable with individual need.
Typical lab tests are erroneous for showing chronic magnesium deficiency and only show really acute magnesium deficiency. Intracellular magnesium level from a red blood cell is more accurate but not ordered typically.
Many drugs and conditions that are related to magnesium insufficiency are in common use instead of proper screening and treatment.
Old info like iodine research from the 50s.
Labels don't bother me one bit and I'm not sure why you assumed they did? I don't think they bother the real honest ones that continue with their efforts, either. That's a bit shallow and assuming. Maybe projection?
I know all about magnesium, but thanks.
Most of what you are stating is based on Western medicine, their tests and assumptions, faulty genetic claims, and other faulty "science", which you stated previously was fraudulent. You go from stating one lab test is erroneous to stating that another, however, is more accurate. More accurate. Do you really know all you need to know about red blood cells and minerals and how they are actually used in and by the body's many organs and functions? Or are you basing that on Western medicine, regardless of how holistic you might think it is?
Again, your schooling has limited, (apparently), your progress in understanding both the physical and the non physical body we inhabit.
This is why they cannot SEE....
"And then there is the psychological effect of the Big Lie which is axiomatic in gaslighting. The paradox here is that the bigger the lie, the harder it is for the mind to bridge the gulf between perceived reality and the lie that authority figures are painting as truth. I believe that the prospect of being deceived evinces a primitive emotional response on a par with staring death in the face. We are hard-wired to fear deception because we have evolved to interpret it as an existential threat. That’s why deception can elicit the same emotional response as the miscalculation of a serious physical threat. Lies told to us don’t always bear the same cost as a misjudged red light, but the primitive part of the brain can’t make this distinction and we rely on cerebral mediation for a more appropriate but delayed response. And in the long run, the lie is often just as dangerous as the physical threat. Many government whoppers – ‘safe and effective’ – do cost lives.
To avoid the death-like experience of being deceived, a mental defence is erected to deny that the lie is happening."
(From https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/alleged-cia-involvement-in-jfk-assassination-goes-mainstream-so-now-what/ )
I concur, this no virus info was presented to these 2 at least 4 years ago, they ignored it with their other two geneticist mates, Northrup and the other one , no investigation or follow up, they've made a lot of money though from the truther community, not good.
To use his name in vain, and bear false witness........ no mercy.
Biofields answers all this nonsense.
That is the transmission mechanism.
Prove it. Lol. Since ya can’t see it you will just have to trust me. Are you feeling my love? Pre poison of oneself allows these biofields to manifest. See proved it right there. I have over 100 degrees and walk around in a lab coat. Right? Must be true.
S/, lighten the Fuk up and ignore these grandstanders and focus on the killers bearing down on us. Again it invisible to even a top shelf microscope. Got nano detector? Ha, see we all are alive but enjoying cog dis like all good…
Just provoking thoughts.
Time wasters with egos from being educated distracting us.
Totally get it!! Just hoping to get my hands on a written take down that dissects his bogus methods. Battling with the virus crew is time consuming 😀 but worth the effort!! As you well know!!
If there is no Franken by what method can you make Frankenstein? Baric's methods are all just a story. His papers using a theoretical virus story IS THE TAKE DOWN
I get what you say but check out Toms latest QnA from about minute 41. He dismantles Baric Mickey Mouse work and how Fan Wu paper is tied to it in extra layer of fraud. Its a 10 minute section and might be food for the Proton Magic to weave its special craft.
LOL !! 😀😀 GOT IT!! CHEERS!! 🍻
PM, I just found this paper by analytical chemist, Saeed Qureshi, whose work I've seen before but when his old website was updated all the links to his papers became invalid. I now just happened on this paper on a different website which is still a shocking mess but I think what he says seems valid. If I understand him correctly:
The initial step is not to aim for isolation (which doesn't rely on cause and effect) but to see if there is an effect so using sputum samples in the first instance to determine if there is an effect is an appropriate approach. If there is no effect then attempting isolation (which is the work of chemists) is a redundant step. So I guess what he's saying the argument should be is that no evidence of a virus has been shown following cause and effect experimentation rather than no virus has been isolated.
What do you think?
https://bioanalyticx.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Virus-Debate.pdf
He is confused on 2 topics.
#1. Illness with a virus (illness doesn’t require a pathogen), and #2. Exist (no one says-or should say-a virus has been shown not to exist) with not-found (this is what is true).
He says
#1: To them, nowhere has it been shown that the so-called virus has its effect (illness or infection). To them, this means the virus has not been isolated.
👉No-virus says a particle fitting the definition of a virus has not been found. He's making a no sense confusion.
#2 Doctors' group cannot support their claim that the virus does not exist, using the "Scientific Method”
👉No one is claiming it doesn't exist, only not found, and until found and shown to cause disease, no public health measures or shots should be introduced.
I don’t know if he intentionally writes this nonsense paper for propaganda confusion tactics, or he is just a nit-wit, but it does lead to people distancing from "no-virus to fear" and to take shots. I suggest you ignore him and go on your day doing better things, like read past Proton Magic posts 😁
I will peruse your past articles, PM :)
So this is my understanding from what he says and at this point it doesn't matter if I've misunderstood him or what I still think it's a reasonable point:
No one should even be thinking about isolating what might be a cause until an effect is shown to occur at a more macro level so if it is thought that a cause of illness may exist in people's sputum then sputum samples of a few people showing the same signs of illness should be tested against the sputum samples of well people to see if there is a difference. If nothing emerges from testing the sputum samples then there is no justification to try to isolate what you think might be causal particles from the sputum samples if experiments done with the sputum yield no results.
I guess ultimately what I'm saying is that there is no proof of isolation of a virus but nor is there any proof that sickness is caused by anything at all in sputum ... or whatever bodily fluids are used for testing. And I'm wondering if all the focus on "isolation" isn't a bit of a distraction?
1. If EMFs (and many other things) cause illness how will we find that in a sample? What tests should we do to tell the difference between sputums and what will that tell us to do, say if someone has high WBCs? There may be some tests but those won't tell all possibilities will they? They fixed my window frames the other day using epoxy and I felt sick for a few days, mostly headache, dizzyness, and some uncomfortable throat. What will my spit show? What will a brain test show? Some people could not smell the epoxy and still felt sick, some not get sick. Will we try to isolate a virus because I felt sick epoxy or not? I don't think so, because colds are common, a virus has never been found for them, and they are thought to be self cleansing from build up of nasty stuff.
2. IF TPTB say there is a respiratory virus and want to implement policies, including a test like pcr to decide to inject you or quarantine you or shut down society, then we need to see if/what virus they found in respiratory fluids. Or if you have a pos HIV test and are told to take meds, in the 80s AZT, now ARVs. You certainly want to prove there is a particle that causes disease and that a test actually tests for it.
1 and 2 may seem related but are completely different circumstances and investigations.
Hope this makes sense.
1. What tests should we do? No idea but whatever tests, the results should show something different in the sputums of the sick people against the sputums of the well people.
Honestly, I'm clueless, PM, and I just confuse myself more when I try to think about it. Perhaps I should just "get back in my box" as suggested to me yesterday by Dr Ken Lambert on Facebook :)
There's nothing to do for cold symptoms (any flu test are meaningless), and strep tests may find strep but doesn't mean they caused or you need treatment. Eat well, live well and away from chemicals, pollution, vaxes, meds, and schmutz, get sleep and keep in touch!
Hello！Hilarious take down of 2 bufoons!! Stefan Scoglio said on Transition TV that he's gonna put out a PDF in English on how the mRNA in the toxic jabs is not and cannot make our cells produce spike protein. Do you have that PDF or have any resource countering the whole shedding nonsense./ our cells become spike protein factories? It would be greatly appreciated.
Hi, there is no proof or disproof of shedding that I have. Shedding is a fuzzy topic very difficult to study: how many interactions, how close, what kind, who had how many shots, how long after what # shot, what batch and content did they get, difference by location, country, placebo, nocebo, EMF level during test, recently before tests...some of these are impossible to control.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was unable to provide any record of the alleged SARS-COV-2 spike protein being found in anyone and purified (as opposed to “recombinant” “spike protein” being created in a lab and then studied, as though that reflects something going on in actual people); and so they responded as though this was another FOI regarding the fake virus, and provided the same useless paragraphs that they’ve been giving people for the past year or so:
https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/CDC-no-purified-spike-protein-PACKAGE-to-Dec-16-redacted.pdf
https://off-guardian.org/2022/11/07/that-mrna-vaccines-cause-cells-to-produce-spike-proteins-is-a-fairy-tale/
HUGE THANKS!! THOSE LINKS ARE GOLD!! STEFFAN in the Transition TV interview said he's gonna put together a PDF with bibliography debunking the spike protein narrative. If you ever get please lemme know. HUGE THANKS again for links. Greatly appreciated !!
Hello, I got this comment “Regardless of whether mRNA transcription is a fiction or not, apparently a supposed lipid nanoparticle enveloped mRNA injection product can be injected into a muscle and travel throughout the body via either the lymph to the blood, or directly via the blood and then be deposited in various organs, including the brain and the fetus? However, if the LNP is not able to cross cell membranes, how doe it cross the blood brain barrier, as we know it does; and, how does it cross the placenta, as we know it does; and, how does it get into the cells of various organs, as we know it does?“ Any feedback much appreciated.
Here
https://viralimmunologist.substack.com/p/a-moratorium-on-mrna-vaccines-is?s=r
the LNP was tagged not mRNA. How does it get thru? Choices, 1. It can cross cell membranes, 2. There are no full membranes, 3. The BBB etc isn't what we are told it is. 4. The LNP isn't an LNP, what is "it" if anything then? A psyop?
Honestly I dont have the answer but I ASSUME it DOES go places regardless of rhyme or reason. Sorry, I fooled you into thinking I know more than I really do 🙂
Excellent answer, especially about cell membranes and the BBB. I agree and I don't know why more don't question, that the LNP, and all of the other components we've been led to believe are what they claim, can do what they claim, have been clearly identified and tracked as claimed, and that any results seen of any kind are from any of these claimed components and substances. All psyop I say, just like GMO and all things genetic. 2+2 just never equals 4 in the realm of science and medicine. Of course, anything injected is going to go somewhere and do something, if only to get the body to dispose of it.
Thanks CB, I also like all your comments, I just can't respond to each one. Best.
Hello, what's the best take down of Barics work on GoF BS in print that you've seen? Any help greatly appreciated .
He is said to do virus GOF, what virus particle that was found does he do GOF on? Since there is no such paper finding a virus it is to distract the narrative to where you still need a shot. Get it?
Hello, Huge Thanks for getting back. Am reading the link now. Greatly appreciated! I've been in a back n forth with one of Meryl's readers. He asked a good question today. Basically, if Scoglio is right about the LNPs remaining in tact then how does that explain its distribution to key organs if its unable to cross the BBB, placenta membrane etc. I don't have the answer. Huge thanks ,again!!
My previous reply answered this I think.
Pleasure dpl and working on joint proj no worrry, just more balls in the air than hands...