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Here I will make a summary of the cell culture procedure looking for cytopathologic effect (CPE).

CPE is a toxicology study of monkey kidney cells for whatever sample you put in it. It is not a scientific experiment even if there were purified particles used because the cell culture is a mixed substrate with undeterminable and changing content (abnormal genetics, millions of ongoing chemical reactions, and added material like antibiotics, etc).

-The study of patient fluid (patient sample) as an independent variable (IV, the thing you want to test an effect of) in a toxicology study is a valid study design. However, patient fluid doesn't tell you much about the finding of or effects of a virus, whether or not that is the stated purpose of the study.

-Adding nothing to the cell culture as in the Japan time lapse video shown in this post is a type of validation of the procedure itself in looking for CPE. The cell culture substrate without any patient sample running on its own shows a similar kind of CPE as is commonly seen in virology studies. This proves the study is invalid before needing any other control. It’s like a bicycle that doesn’t move when you pedal it, naturally you can’t use it to test endurance. It just goes into the garbage.

-Some persons opine that you need to use purified virus as an IV for a valid test of CPE. First, this is reifying virus existence because there is no such thing as a purified virus. They should use the term, “purified particles”. In any case, the cell culture as currently used is invalid as noted above.

-What about putting purified particles in a cell culture that doesn’t self-destruct like an immortal cell line even with antibiotics and other substances added? I’m not sure this cell culture exists. While these additives increase variable complexity, this type of study could theoretically tell you that the purified particles destroyed the cells, and you could look in the cells on EM to see if the virus particles were in the cells (how they got into the cells would be hard to determine). We would still need controls with nothing added, and immortal cell lines have abnormal genetics and thus abnormal biochemistry so this is not the same as putting purified particles in the natural tissue substrate of a living body (it’s sounding like a cellular house of horrors actually). CPE seen in an the immortal cell line case would need to be put together with many other studies on the purified particles, and CPE in itself doesn’t prove a virus has been found.

👉Note that the topic of what a valid independent variable is for a cell-culture that might be tested in virology has become a hot topic resulting in censorship of myself and others who question the front and center no-virus narrative of, “there has never been a valid control used for cell-cultures in virology”.

👉As noted in this comment and post, we do consider a no-patient sample as a valid control to confirm if a cell-culture can be used as study of CPE. In addition, CPE as an endpoint has multiple problems and limited study utility no matter how you slice it because of the issues discussed above.

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Mia Breeze's avatar

Such a great and easy to understand breakdown of the scam PM, thank you!

Truly unbelievable how they cannot see the obvious flaws in their own reasoning even when you walk them through it.

Your sense of humor is fabulous too! >> “This study allowed us to see things we have never seen before.” (does she mean because of the tight pants?)." 😂

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