Taken aback by an interesting comment from Max on the last post challenging the veracity of massacre at My Lai in Vietnam, I gathered a team to do some digging.
👉I don’t have an absolute YES or NO, but there is a fascinating finding noted at the end of the post.
I found a Vietnamese language teacher who always dreamed about getting into espionage. The search fees on a “find-a-teacher with spy capability” site cost me about $100.
This was the mission detail given to my spy gal who stated:
1. I will conduct a brief search in Vietnamese using a small number of search terms to see whether there are any Vietnamese-language sources or individuals who express the view that the My Lai incident was fake or partially staged.
2. I will summarize the findings and whether any relevant sources or opinions were found.
3. If feasible, I can also attempt limited outreach via online channels to see whether someone with a local connection is willing to share their view, though I cannot guarantee a response.
I will approach this neutrally and report the findings as they are, without drawing conclusions beyond what the sources state.
The key terms to search or ask for were:
● Was My Lai a staged or fake event?
● Was there gun fire but people didn’t really die?
● Was it a small fight exaggerated or was it really hundreds of civilians killed for no reason?
● Were the persons shown in fear before stated death actually killed?
● Are there survivors still alive, what do they say, and is it possible to contact one of them?
Here, Tran Van Duc, survivor of the My Lai massacre, visits a 75-victim “mass grave”
The Report
Overall conclusion:
I could not find any sources in Vietnamese or any statements by Vietnamese individuals suggesting that the My Lai Massacre was faked.
Regarding your questions,
1. Was My Lai a staged or fake event? & 2. Was it a small fight exaggerated or were hundreds of civilians really killed for no reason?
Answer: As mentioned above, no Vietnamese sources or persons claimed that the My Lai Massacre was fake. On the contrary, articles and reports confirm that the massacre occurred, and the number of civilians killed was 504 — including elderly people, women, and children, none of whom were involved in combat.
3. Were the persons shown in fear before death actually killed? & 4. Was there gunfire but people didn’t actually die?
Answer: I could not find any sources stating that the individuals were not actually killed. However, there is some discussion regarding a specific photograph, often referred to as the “two children of My Lai.” I think this could be helpful for your research.
50 years after the massacre, a former war photographer told VOA that the boy in the photograph from Sơn Mỹ village was still alive, whereas the Sơn Mỹ [My Lai] Museum in Quảng Ngãi had previously claimed the child had died.
Mr. Trần Văn Đức, a Vietnamese-born mechanic living in Lindsey, Germany, told VOA that he was the boy in the disputed photograph and provided evidence to support this.
This discussion concerns only the fate of the two children in the photograph, not the massacre as a whole. The photo’s subjects simply corrected a museum error — the museum previously claimed the two children were killed, while in fact they survived.
Sources (you can access the links below and use translation tools if needed to better understand the content)
5. Are there survivors still alive now, and what do they say? Is it possible to contact them?
Most survivors are elderly and do not use social media, so it was difficult to contact them directly.
However, some survivors or their descendants have spoken publicly. I tried to send them messages, but since they are quite well-known, the chances of receiving a reply soon are low. If you have Facebook, you can also try contacting them and ask questions directly, I believe both can communicate in English.
MC Thành Trung — a descendant of victims, who posted memorial content on Facebook on September 19.
A brief summary of his post: MC Thành Trung shared that he participated in two memorial ceremonies for the victims of the Sơn Mỹ (My Lai) massacre in Quảng Ngãi. Out of the 504 civilians killed on March 16, 1968, 97 were from his village, including 18 members of his extended family.
His father, who had gone to the North in 1954, returned 21 years later to find his family lost in the massacre. On the 50th anniversary of Vietnam’s liberation, Thành Trung performed a memorial ceremony for 97 victims in his village and intends to honor all 504 victims.
He received support from well-meaning donors and emphasized the sacredness of the ceremonies, praying for the souls of the victims and for peace and prosperity in Vietnam.
No Vietnamese-language news articles, reports, or eyewitness statements were found that deny or question the occurrence of the My Lai Massacre. Therefore, I think there is sufficient evidence to confirm that the massacre did occur, and that over 500 innocent civilians were killed by U.S. forces.
So what would the psyop value be of a faked, or partially faked/exaggerated My Lai massacre? The news of the massacre inflamed the anti-war movement and may have helped set the stage as a reason for the U.S. to lose the war and pull-out because winning the war wasn’t the plan to begin with. The truths served up by the pentagram pentagon will likely be hidden from us forever.
Former US Army photographer Ronald L. Haeberle (on left) who took the My Lai photos shakes hands with former Vietnam President Truong Tan Sang (2nd right) and Deputy Prime Minister Truong Hoa Binh (1st right) on the occasion of 50th anniversary of the My Lai massacre in Son Tinh District of Quang Ngai Province last year [in 2018].
Yes, it’s a Masonic handshake and that is finally another hint something is up with this incident besides the Nixon pardon of the Officer in charge the the company.
☞ Does the handshake suggest they were in cahoots about a faked killing, or that they were in cahoots about a ritual mass murder? Seems we’ll never know but something is not right about the whole shebang.
This post is dedicated to Max. Thanks for sticking with me thru thick and thin. No, I didn’t prove My Lai was true or faked but we’ve got some more info. The truth is probably known to only a small few including the smiling and Masonic hand shaking camera man and the past president of Vietnam.
If My Lai was true that would be very painful. If My Lai was faked, then that would be a painful reminder of the extent the U.S. gov’t goes to torment us with stories.
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I doubt the massacre was real, as it flies in the face of two things I know, one that humans are not cold-blooded killers, and two, that most large massacres and even small ones are staged. I've studied some of them in depth, not that I am the be-all end-all who cannot be fooled. I am not and I can, but my take, for instance, on Waco, Jonestown, Columbine, and Tiananmen, was fake, fake, fake and fake. Others have done the same work on other events, to the same conclusion. One hint on Mai Lai is 504, which is an embedded '33' (5+4=9= 3*3), a Masonic signal to insiders that an event is fake (for instance, JFK was "killed" on 11/22, first shot fired at 12:30, two '33's right in front of our nose. All other staged events have similar markers, various forms of 8,11 and 33 (9/11 anyone?). These freemasons are a superstitious lot).
Why would the US government stage such an event? Wars are never fought for stated reasons, so some other goal was going on in Vietnam. I quick look at the population of the country indicates there was no interruption in growth that a 3-million loss out of a population of 34 million would make - no blip, no dip. I can only speculate, but it appears that Vietnam was being rebuilt in the colonial image, with people herded from the countryside to the cities to work the factories, making it a garment center. Today it is much more than that, but still a colony of the West.
The war had to be "fought" to its natural conclusion, mission accomplished, but the population at home was not bought in as it had been in prior wars. So, events were staged to create divisions, those for, those against the war. Mai Lai was one such event. It would not matter which "side' we were on, only that we chose one or the other. Another fake narrative, Jane Fonda's trip to Hanoi, was also fake, again, to exacerbate the divisions and keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Imagine that Jane, anti-government protestor, after her activities, was still allowed to have a movie career!
So, yes, Mai Lai was fake, Ron Ridenhour an intricate player used to "go public." Had he been the real deal, his presence would never have been known in our controlled news media.
Recently, I have started suspecting that pretty much all countries with a central bank are globalist testing grounds, and have been for over 100 years. If that is true, anything is possible, but my ancestors survived carpet bombings of US and British planes in WW2, so I tend to concur with PM that the 20th century (and it might be possible to go back as far as the "French Revolution" of 1789) is a history of massacres. I'm having a hard time buying into the Masonic conspiracy (although its influence on history has been obvious from time to time), and even a "Masonic handshake" seems redundant to me between cooperating partners, unless the goal is to mislead people by "showing what's supposed to be a secret"... I call that tactic the "open-message deception":
I doubt the massacre was real, as it flies in the face of two things I know, one that humans are not cold-blooded killers, and two, that most large massacres and even small ones are staged. I've studied some of them in depth, not that I am the be-all end-all who cannot be fooled. I am not and I can, but my take, for instance, on Waco, Jonestown, Columbine, and Tiananmen, was fake, fake, fake and fake. Others have done the same work on other events, to the same conclusion. One hint on Mai Lai is 504, which is an embedded '33' (5+4=9= 3*3), a Masonic signal to insiders that an event is fake (for instance, JFK was "killed" on 11/22, first shot fired at 12:30, two '33's right in front of our nose. All other staged events have similar markers, various forms of 8,11 and 33 (9/11 anyone?). These freemasons are a superstitious lot).
Why would the US government stage such an event? Wars are never fought for stated reasons, so some other goal was going on in Vietnam. I quick look at the population of the country indicates there was no interruption in growth that a 3-million loss out of a population of 34 million would make - no blip, no dip. I can only speculate, but it appears that Vietnam was being rebuilt in the colonial image, with people herded from the countryside to the cities to work the factories, making it a garment center. Today it is much more than that, but still a colony of the West.
The war had to be "fought" to its natural conclusion, mission accomplished, but the population at home was not bought in as it had been in prior wars. So, events were staged to create divisions, those for, those against the war. Mai Lai was one such event. It would not matter which "side' we were on, only that we chose one or the other. Another fake narrative, Jane Fonda's trip to Hanoi, was also fake, again, to exacerbate the divisions and keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Imagine that Jane, anti-government protestor, after her activities, was still allowed to have a movie career!
So, yes, Mai Lai was fake, Ron Ridenhour an intricate player used to "go public." Had he been the real deal, his presence would never have been known in our controlled news media.
Recently, I have started suspecting that pretty much all countries with a central bank are globalist testing grounds, and have been for over 100 years. If that is true, anything is possible, but my ancestors survived carpet bombings of US and British planes in WW2, so I tend to concur with PM that the 20th century (and it might be possible to go back as far as the "French Revolution" of 1789) is a history of massacres. I'm having a hard time buying into the Masonic conspiracy (although its influence on history has been obvious from time to time), and even a "Masonic handshake" seems redundant to me between cooperating partners, unless the goal is to mislead people by "showing what's supposed to be a secret"... I call that tactic the "open-message deception":
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-open-message-deception